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Keyes Slams 'Phony' Polls [Calls for ban on political polling]
Pantagraph.com ^ | September 21, 2004 | Kurt Erickson

Posted on 09/21/2004 9:53:19 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

BLOOMINGTON -- Political polls are "phony" and should not just be disregarded, but banned, Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes argued Monday.

"They (polls) are manipulative and degrading and damaging to our political system, and they should not be allowed when it comes to the actual time frame in which people are making up their minds," Keyes said during a meeting with The Pantagraph's editorial board.

His comments came in response to questions about a Pantagraph/St. Louis Post-Dispatch poll published Monday showing him trailing Democrat Barack Obama 68 percent to 23 percent.

The survey, released 43 days before the election, indicates many Illinoisans may be troubled by the fact that the conservative former presidential candidate is from Maryland and that he has locked horns with some members of his own party over his conservative beliefs.

But Keyes dismissed the poll results as the work of a biased media.

"I would suggest that what would be appropriate is a complete ban on all polling activity and all publication of such polling activity within a certain time frame," said Keyes.

"All of the polls taken at this stage of the game are phony anyway."

Keyes has spent two days in Central Illinois trying to drum up support for his late-starting campaign. He replaced original GOP nominee Jack Ryan last month after Ryan bowed out amid sex-club allegations.

Despite his showing in the polls and his sparring with state GOP leaders, Keyes was warmly received Monday at a lunch meeting of the McLean County Republican Party.

In a 20-minute speech, Keyes drilled home his conservative beliefs, including his opposition to abortion, gay marriage and taxes and his support of gun-owner rights and the war in Iraq.

"Forget the polls! Forget the pundits," he urged the estimated 150 people in attendance.

At both the luncheon and at the newspaper, Keyes said Republicans will fare well in Illinois on Nov. 2, even though President Bush has all but given up campaigning in the state because it leans Democratic.

"I represent something people have longed for in Illinois politics for a long time," Keyes said. "I am raising the banner of Christian priorities and moral priorities at all costs. And I am fighting everyday against people who say, 'You can't win that way. You can't be talking about this. You've got to stop talking about abortion. You've got to stop talking about gay marriage. You've got to stop talking about all these moral issues.'"

Keyes also made a veiled reference to his testy relationship with party officials, including state GOP Chairwoman Judy Baar Topinka, the moderate state treasurer who has not openly embraced Keyes' candidacy.

Without naming anyone in particular, Keyes said "certain elements" of the Republican Party "have been co-opted" by Democrats who control state government.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; 2004electionfraud; dirtytricks; keyes; mediabias; napalminthemorning; polls; pushpolling; pushpolls; rattricks; smearcampaign; whispercampaign
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"'They (polls) are manipulative and degrading and damaging to our political system, and they should not be allowed when it comes to the actual time frame in which people are making up their minds,' Keyes said during a meeting with The Pantagraph's editorial board."

Now, that should be newsworthy!!!

So, where is the MainStreamMedia?

1 posted on 09/21/2004 9:53:20 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: Scenic Sounds

I doubt it will make a difference in the outcome.

What are his chances in California in a few years, Beck?


2 posted on 09/21/2004 9:55:11 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Scenic Sounds

Keyes tells it like it is. No BS from him, that's lost when all the other candidates speak.


3 posted on 09/21/2004 9:56:31 AM PDT by confederate66
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To: Scenic Sounds

man Keyes is not doing so well....

I dont know if he is going to be able to pull any closer to Obama...he is really up against it in Illinois and I am afraid that this statement proves it....


4 posted on 09/21/2004 9:56:55 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Free Republic - Only as "free" as those that post on it want it to be!!!)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Polls can be an extremely useful tool. Dr Keyes is upset with them because they are a reflection of the poor campaign he is running.


5 posted on 09/21/2004 9:58:13 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Scenic Sounds
That is weird. You'd think the leftist media would want to publicize a Republican Senate candidate's desire to further abridge our First Amendment rights. The fact that it would be hypocritical isn't usually a barrier to the media's criticism of Republicans.

Hey, Alan: just go away.

6 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:14 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Scenic Sounds

In light of the CBS fraud, Keyes makes absolute sense. Fraud, lies, media manipulations, false currency, bad checks, shouting fire in a theater ARE NOT FREEDOMS OF SPEECH.


7 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:21 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Scenic Sounds

I actually agree, at least with the sentiment. But I don't really know what could be done about it. Polls become illegitimate foci, and themselves become the news.

They'd only be of real value if some evaluation were given, some basic intelligence test. Like, "Of those who favor Obama, only 12% could correctly name even one of his specific positions...."

Dan


8 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:28 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Keyes has officially left orbit of Planet Sanity and gone off on his own trajectory.


9 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:45 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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To: MikeinIraq

28% for KEyes is outstanding.


10 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:59 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Scenic Sounds

Ban polls? That sounds like a violation of the 1st Amendment to me. No thank you.


11 posted on 09/21/2004 10:00:40 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: JudgemAll

In light of the CBS fraud, Keyes makes absolute sense. Fraud, lies, media manipulations, false currency, bad checks, shouting fire in a theater ARE NOT FREEDOMS OF SPEECH.



7 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:21 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Scenic Sounds
I actually agree, at least with the sentiment. But I don't really know what could be done about it. Polls become illegitimate foci, and themselves become the news.

They'd only be of real value if some evaluation were given, some basic intelligence test. Like, "Of those who favor Obama, only 12% could correctly name even one of his specific positions...."

Dan



8 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:28 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Scenic Sounds


Keyes has officially left orbit of Planet Sanity and gone off on his own trajectory.




9 posted on 09/21/2004 9:59:45 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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To: MikeinIraq
28% for KEyes is outstanding.


12 posted on 09/21/2004 10:01:01 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: confederate66
All Dr Keyes is doing is assuring the victory of Obama so that Obama can represent HIS constituents instead of Keyes representing the needs of Illinois.
13 posted on 09/21/2004 10:01:21 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: MikeinIraq
man Keyes is not doing so well....

What a surprise, given his track record of campaign victories...oh wait. I was thinking of someone else.

14 posted on 09/21/2004 10:03:19 AM PDT by Huck ("Winners don't need to hijack airplanes. Winners have an air force." --P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Scenic Sounds
should be adde dto hi forget portion of his speech..

FORGET MY VOTING RECORD!

15 posted on 09/21/2004 10:03:21 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Only place Kerry has to go now is to the glue factory.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Apparently Keyes' last race.


16 posted on 09/21/2004 10:04:36 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: You Dirty Rats
Ban polls? That sounds like a violation of the 1st Amendment to me. No thank you.

Well, it's not like the 1st Amendment is absolute, is it? Does it say anywhere in there that people have a right to ask members of the public for their opinions?

17 posted on 09/21/2004 10:04:40 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: JudgemAll

good points!


18 posted on 09/21/2004 10:04:55 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Scenic Sounds

Keyes makes a good point in that polls are seeming to be the substitute for voters' brains during the election year.

It would make for *much* more interesting debate of actual issues if polls did not exist.


19 posted on 09/21/2004 10:05:22 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
As soon as he loses a few debates.. will he be calling for a ban on debates?

When he loses the election, well he be demanding a ban on voting?

Kommie Kerry, hater of the free speeking and everything un-Kerry.

20 posted on 09/21/2004 10:06:53 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood (Only place Kerry has to go now is to the glue factory.)
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