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September showdown in the Bronx : Red Sox vs. Yankees (Live Thread)
NY Daily News ^ | September 17, 2004 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 09/17/2004 8:27:59 AM PDT by presidio9

This is the kind of September we are supposed to have with the Yankees and the Red Sox. This is the way it is supposed to be, a series like this at the Stadium this weekend, then another one next weekend at Fenway Park. It wasn't supposed to be as easy as the Red Sox made it look in April. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of knockout punch the Yankees threw at Boston at the end of June, that three-game series when Derek Jeter, in addition to everything else, seemed to have taught himself how to fly.

It wasn't supposed to be the Yankees ahead by 10-1/2 games in August, as giddy as that made everybody around here feel, when the Red Sox were declared dead, and gone, again.

This, tonight at the Stadium, is the way it is supposed to be:

El Duque Hernandez with the ball in the top of the first tonight, trying to kick his leg to the upper deck and duck his head behind his shoulder and throw one of those breaking balls that starts out by Ruppert Place past Johnny Damon of the Red Sox.

Maybe last year isn't as good as the Yankees vs. the Red Sox could ever be. Because after everything that has happened between Game 7 last October and now, the sides are still even.

"A showdown in the Bronx," is the way Damon described this series the other night.

It is all of that.

It is not the kind of all-in, knockout baseball it used to be in the old days, the way it was in September of 1978, when it was the Yankees trying to come from way back in the pack. Barring a total collapse by the Red Sox - and it is hard to see them collapsing after the kind of good, clean hardball they have played lately - you can almost book both teams making the playoffs.

So no matter which of these two teams wins the American League East, it looks as if we will be right where we were a year ago after the regular season, hoping to get both of them through the first round, and into another series with a trip to the World Series on the line. Where it will be all-in, knockout baseball. Where everything could come down to one swing of the bat, the way it did with Aaron Boone, on the night when he finally ended the greatest Yankee-Red Sox season of them all.

But you have to know this: The Yankees don't want to blow the biggest regular-season lead they have ever blown. The Yankees do not want the Red Sox to come back from 10-1/2 behind on the 15th of August to win the AL East, whether they know they've got the safety net of the wild card or not. Because in their minds, they would be carried into October on a stretcher.

For now, we get these six games, starting with the ball in El Duque's hand tonight. Where would the Yankees be without him? Second place, is where. The big fat lead would be gone already. Alex Rodriguez was supposed to be the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox this season. We've got him, Yankee fans crowed. They don't. That was the first time the season was declared over, back in February, when it was announced that the Yankees had made a deal with the Rangers for A-Rod.

Only he has not been the difference. Somehow, even as he has hung up fairly gaudy numbers, even with the richest contract in the history of sports, A-Rod has just been one of the stars on the Yankees this season. Just not the biggest. The Yankees are still ahead because Gary Sheffield has been the kind of batting star A-Rod was supposed to be. And because El Duque, with all his spin and mystery intact at whatever age he really is, remains one of the great big-game Yankee pitchers of them all.

Now he gets the biggest game he has had in a while, at least until he gets to the playoffs.

"[The Red Sox] are still trying to catch us," Derek Jeter said.

Only for about 900 years.

But for now, the two teams are as close as they could be. In the last two seasons, counting the 2003 postseason, the Yankees and Red Sox have played 39 games. Thirty-nine. The Red Sox have won 20 and the Yankees have won 19. All those games, and really only one swing from Boone separating them.

The Red Sox don't go away. They made their run and now the Yankees have won eight of their last 10. There is a great wild-card race in the National League East. But this is something different. This is the Yankees against the Red Sox. The season started with all those games between them in April. Now here we are again, 11 months, exactly, from Aaron Boone.

Curt Schilling is with the Red Sox now, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are gone from the Yankees. Nomar Garciaparra is gone from the Red Sox. The Red Sox tried to cut Manny Ramirez of Washington Heights to get A-Rod and now Ramirez might be MVP. The Yankees got A-Rod. We get the September we wanted. It is the September we always want. Somehow, the sides are still even.


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To: andy58-in-nh

Come on unlikely Southern Wind!

Man I can't believe I forgot to mention the single most important element to the Red Sox World Series Victory...

Patience. They keys to the 90's Yanks were pitching and patience at the plate. We got it. Yanks don't.

Game on!


201 posted on 09/17/2004 5:16:09 PM PDT by TIGHTEN
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To: TIGHTEN

Gotta keep playing!


202 posted on 09/17/2004 5:18:13 PM PDT by gcraig
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To: Mr. Mojo

Let's hope this gets through 5. Go Sox!


203 posted on 09/17/2004 5:19:08 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm

I'm a short jaunt north of the Stadium, and we have not had a drop. The rain was temporary.


204 posted on 09/17/2004 5:19:11 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Where's my man Eddie Yost." - Kerry

LOL...

And how 'bout that Dave Cortez? He's havin' a heluva year.

205 posted on 09/17/2004 5:20:22 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: JohnnyZ
It's not really Steinbrenner we're paranoid about, more his alliance with Satan.

The Yankees' owner donates money to W. The Red Sox owners donate money to Kerry. I rest my case.

206 posted on 09/17/2004 5:20:56 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: TIGHTEN
I forgot to mention the single most important element to the Red Sox World Series Victory... Patience.

That's just a little too ironic for my taste.

Patience is one thing but my mother's getting old.

However I'm confident that THIS IS THE YEAR!

207 posted on 09/17/2004 5:21:17 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Senator Pardek

Good. All I've heard is how awful it's going to get. Forgive my meteorological ignorance. ;-)


208 posted on 09/17/2004 5:21:34 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: NYCVirago

Wow, El Duque just hit 100 pitches and he's still going strong .... not bad for a 44-year-old!


209 posted on 09/17/2004 5:23:20 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ; Mr. Mojo
"If you still had Roger and Boomer you'd be a lot of things but certainly not THIN. :)"

What's Boomer now -- about 270?

Heck, if ONLY we had him and his fat @ss now...

Halsey pitching against the Red Sox? That's means 10 runs for the Red Sox. And we know who we have to thank for Halsey pitching: KEVIN BROWN.

210 posted on 09/17/2004 5:23:28 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: NYCVirago
The Red Sox owners donate money to Kerry.

Is that a fact? John Henry has donated $$ to Kerry? Yikes...

211 posted on 09/17/2004 5:24:12 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: JohnnyZ

WHAT?? The game's back on??


212 posted on 09/17/2004 5:24:43 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Mr. Mojo
ESPN's Peter Gammons:

So who puts the bug in candidates' ears about seeming what they are not? John Kerry last week professed to be a big fan of "Manny Ortez," then re-emphasized the phoofery by correcting it to "David Ortez." No, that was Dave (Baby) Cortez and "The Happy Organ." A few years back Kerry went on a Boston station with Eddie Andelman and said "my favorite Red Sox player of all time is The Walking Man, Eddie Yost," who never played for the Red Sox.

Upate: Yost was, however, a Red Sox coach for several years. ... Kf seems to be late to this seething controversy--for a page full of Kerry defense, click here. Note especially poster Social Scientist's comment:

Eddie Yost was a mediocre hitter who became an All-Star by letting the opposing pitcher screw up: he often led the league in walks, was near the top in on-base percentage. Boring, seemingly passive, reliable, effective..

Right. Maybe Kerry's being candid, not phony. What does it say that he admires a player who got on base not by hitting but by walking? Hmmm. So a) Kerry survives in Vietnam in large part by making his boat a small target. b) His standard political technique is to avoid clear, assailable stands. c) His 2004 strategy is remarkably passive, dependent almost entirely on voter satisfaction with the incumbent. Seemingly, he wants to get to the White House Yost-style, by a base on balls! The obvious question: Is someone who attains the presidency by getting a walk in any position to achieve much, either domestically or internationally? The answer isn't necessarily no. (Gerald Ford wasn't wholly ineffective.) And note how Kerry's passive, Yostish approach dovetails with the "return to normalcy" theme suggested by Peggy Noonan. If you want a break from Bush--if you think he's been swinging a bit too hard for the fences--an Eddie Yost might seem like just the man to send to the plate. ... 10:52 A.M.

213 posted on 09/17/2004 5:25:17 PM PDT by JimVT (I was born a Democrat..but then I grew up)
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To: Living Free in NH

Are you caling X42 the political equivalent of the Babe?? Are you nuts?


214 posted on 09/17/2004 5:25:43 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA— aka TypeMan)
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To: baseballfanjm

Clear sailing ahead!

215 posted on 09/17/2004 5:26:11 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: JohnnyZ

I hadn't thought of that...It's 100% PERFECT! Thanks :)


216 posted on 09/17/2004 5:26:19 PM PDT by TIGHTEN
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To: #1CTYankee

... and the better record right now is.... Oh yeah, the team with the lousy pitching....


217 posted on 09/17/2004 5:27:12 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA— aka TypeMan)
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To: JohnnyZ
Wow, El Duque just hit 100 pitches and he's still going strong .... not bad for a 44-year-old!

He's ageless!

218 posted on 09/17/2004 5:28:05 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: presidio9

El Duque makes me just as happy as President Bush does!


219 posted on 09/17/2004 5:28:14 PM PDT by angcat
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Being a lifelong Redsox fan, I would have to say no.


220 posted on 09/17/2004 5:29:01 PM PDT by jacko63
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