Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Drudge - Judge orders government to find, release all Bush military records...
Drudge Report ^ | 9/16/04 | MATT KELLEY

Posted on 09/16/2004 1:52:12 PM PDT by Spackidagoosh

Edited on 09/16/2004 2:17:33 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON - A federal judge has ordered the Pentagon (news - web sites) to find and make public by next week any unreleased files about President Bush (news - web sites)'s Vietnam-era Air National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by The Associated Press.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. handed down the order late Wednesday in New York. The AP lawsuit already has led to the disclosure of previously unreleased flight logs from Bush's days piloting F-102A fighters and other jets.

Pentagon officials told Baer they plan to have their search complete by Monday. Baer ordered the Pentagon to hand over the records to the AP by Sept. 24 and provide a written statement by Sept. 29 detailing the search for more records.

"We're hopeful the Department of Defense (news - web sites) will provide a full accounting of the steps it has taken, as the judge ordered, so the public can have some assurance that there are no documents being withheld," said AP lawyer David Schulz.

White House officials have said Bush ordered the Pentagon earlier this year to conduct a thorough search for the president's records, and officials allowed reporters to review everything that was gathered back in February.

Through a series of requests under the federal open records law and a subsequent suit, the AP uncovered the flight logs, which were not part of the records the White House released earlier this year.

Both Bush's and John Kerry (news - web sites)'s service records in Vietnam have become a major issue in the presidential race. New records that have surfaced in recent weeks have raised more questions.

Bush's critics say Bush got preferential treatment as the son of a congressman and U.N. ambassador. Critics also question why Bush skipped a required medical examination in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period that year.

Bush has repeatedly said he fulfilled all of his Air National Guard obligations.

The future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when he graduated from Yale. He spent more than a year on active duty learning how to fly and then mostly flew in the one-seat F-102A fighters until April 1972.

The pilot logs show a shift to flights in two-seat trainer jets in March 1972, shortly before Bush quit flying. Former Air National Guard officials say that could have been because F-102A jets were not available for Bush to fly or because of other reasons, such as concerns about Bush's flight performance.

Bush skipped his required yearly medical exam in 1972 in the months after he stopped flying in April. Bush has said he moved to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful Senate campaign of a family friend.

Bush never showed up for Guard service between late April and mid-October 1972. He won approval to train with an Alabama Air National Guard unit during September, October and November 1972, but more than a dozen members of the unit at that time say they never saw him there.

The only direct record of Bush appearing at the Alabama unit's base is a January 1973 dental exam performed at that base. Bush's Texas commanders wrote in May 1973 they never saw him between May 1972 and April 1973, a time when his pay records show he trained on 14 days.

Although military regulations allowed commanders to order two years of active duty for guardsmen who missed more than three straight months of drills, that never happened to Bush. Commanders had leeway at the time to allow guardsmen to make up for missed drills.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: gwb2004; haroldbaer; judicialabuse; judicialtyranny; liberaljudgegonewild; militaryrecords; napalminthemorning; tang
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-336 next last
To: Spackidagoosh
I've been busy and just now tuning back into the world of news since about 3:30 CST, but before reading through all this thread, I have a question:

CAN FR FILE A SIMILAR FOIA LAWSUIT FOR ALL OF KERRY'S RECORDS?

301 posted on 09/16/2004 5:13:00 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-1986)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Boomer Geezer
CHECK KINKO'S IN ABILENE, TX!!

Why? Those will just be cc. of the ones they've already got!

<8^D)

302 posted on 09/16/2004 5:20:21 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh

Sorry if this is redundant, but neither CBS nor AP have requested Kerry's military records and that's all we need to know about MSM. I date its demise to the moment Judy Woodruff burbled, moist-eyed and blushing, that Florida had gone to Gore.


303 posted on 09/16/2004 5:26:14 PM PDT by Havisham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh

"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!" President Andrew Jackson


304 posted on 09/16/2004 5:44:12 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Edward R. Murrow, call your office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Prost1
Bush has signed form 180 authorizing the release of all records. That is an incorrect statement.
305 posted on 09/16/2004 5:46:44 PM PDT by BBLLTT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: nmh

Here's my comment on his behalf:

"I was not eligible for the draft until 1973, the year the draft was ended. My lottery number was 178, resulting in my not being drafted. I was lucky. Others were not. And still others didn't need luck, because they had connections."


306 posted on 09/16/2004 5:52:42 PM PDT by BBLLTT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh
Judge Baer was appointed to the bench by President Clinton and confirmed by the Senate in 1994.

Once an idiot...always an idiot...

"U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr did agree to reconsider his decision to throw out as evidence 80 pounds of cocaine and heroin." .........
The National Law Journal - Monday, April 8, 1996
307 posted on 09/16/2004 6:07:55 PM PDT by drq
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gilliam
"This is just getting to be silly now"

But it does serve the purpose of keeping people's eyes and minds off of Kerry's abysmal record.

308 posted on 09/16/2004 6:19:08 PM PDT by sweetliberty (We're proud to be Pajama People!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh
Drudge - Judge orders government to find, release all Bush military records...

And then in the spirit of equity and fair play, we'll ask the judge to do the same with Kerry's records.
309 posted on 09/16/2004 6:24:53 PM PDT by aruanan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but maybe this is a planned attack dy the DEMS (ie. Hillary) not to blow a hole in Bush, but to "backfire" on JOhn KErry, and make him expose his records, thus destroying once and for all JFK's run. And of course it will have been the awful VRWC and the nasty Bush campaigns fault for this, just like Florida. And Hillary will have another talking point to enrage the left in 2008.
310 posted on 09/16/2004 6:36:09 PM PDT by mountn man
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 309 | View Replies]

To: KJacob

Why can't pressure be put on Kerry to sign the 180 form? Kerry has the most to hide.


311 posted on 09/16/2004 6:43:19 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh

Read the MSNBC report - it is nothing more than DNC talking points.

They are going ahead with their plot. We need to do somthing about it.


312 posted on 09/16/2004 7:19:52 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mo1

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that NOBODY except the lame-stream media cares what GWB did 35 years ago? It's not like he lied under oath before congress about his fellow airmen. Nobody committed suicide or was spit upon for things that HE said. So what's the big deal?


313 posted on 09/16/2004 7:36:31 PM PDT by xenawp (proud member of the VAST right wing conspiracy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 243 | View Replies]

To: drq

Yes and my question has been, did any of those NYPD officers die in 9-11. Maybe that's why he is in TX.


314 posted on 09/16/2004 7:45:18 PM PDT by marty60
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 307 | View Replies]

To: xenawp
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that NOBODY except the lame-stream media cares what GWB did 35 years ago?

The liberals have been trying since he was Gov to make this an issue

This time someone makes up and forges military documents and a signature of a Military Officer in an attempt to bring down a President

Just shows how low the liberals will go

315 posted on 09/16/2004 7:46:21 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 313 | View Replies]

To: Mo1

Right. But did you notice on Drudge...The latest Gallup poll shows Bush AHEAD by 14 points. I think the liars are failing...


316 posted on 09/16/2004 8:12:09 PM PDT by xenawp (proud member of the VAST right wing conspiracy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 315 | View Replies]

To: etcb

I know. The point is that a FOIA request, coupled with Bush signing off on a 180, means that everything should be produced.


317 posted on 09/16/2004 8:59:26 PM PDT by XJarhead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 275 | View Replies]

To: Spackidagoosh


alt

Navy Contradicts Kerry on Release of Military Records
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
September 16, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Navy released documents Wednesday contradicting claims by Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry that all of his available military records have been released.

The Navy, responding to a Freedom of Information Act request from the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch, also referred interested parties to Kerry's campaign web site for government military documents.

Navy Personnel Command FOIA Officer Dave German wrote in an e-mail to Judicial Watch that the Navy "withheld thirty-one pages of documents from the responsive military personnel service records as we were not provided a release authorization."

A "release authorization" would have to come from Kerry filling out and signing a Standard Form 180, something he has yet to do. A Standard Form 180 would authorize the complete release of all his military records. Judicial Watch filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests in August to obtain Kerry's military records.

The official U.S. Navy response was received by Judicial Watch on Wednesday, the same day that Kerry told syndicated radio and MSNBC TV host Don Imus that "We've posted my military records that they sent to me, or were posted on my website. You can go to my website, and all my -- you know, the documents are there."

When Imus pressed Kerry as to whether all of his documents were in fact included on the campaign website, Kerry responded, "To the best of my knowledge. I think some of the medical stuff may still be out there. We're trying to get it.

"We released everything that they (the Navy) initially sent me," he added.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said the Navy's correspondence confirms that Kerry has not been forthright in releasing his military files.

"It's written confirmation from the U.S. Navy that there are additional documents from Kerry's service record that have yet to be made publicly available," Fitton told CNSNews.com.

Fitton called the Kerry campaign's contention that all of the candidate's military files have been released, "wrong."

"They (the Kerry campaign) are either ignorant or misleading us. The simple solution is to authorize the release of all records related to his service," Fitton said.

German in a letter dated September 15, also referred Judicial Watch to Kerry's campaign website for more information on Kerry's military records.

"Numerous responsive U.S. Navy service record documents, as well as service record documents not subject to disclosure requirements under the FOIA, may be accessed at" the Kerry campaign's website applying to his military records, wrote German.

"Right now we are in the 'Alice in Wonderland' situation, where the U.S. Navy is telling us to go to a campaign Internet site to get government FOIA documents," Fitton said.

"I am not aware of any other instance where [a government agency] told us to go to a political website for documents," he added. "It's not a reliable repository of government documents."

In additional correspondence with Judicial Watch dated Sept. 15, the Navy stated that it did not have a copy of Kerry's Discharge Certificate (DD Form 256N), adding that the Navy did not keep files of the certificate in its records.

German wrote in a letter dated Sept. 15, "A copy of an honorable discharge certificate (DD256N) is not placed in the U.S. Navy Service record when issued."

Jerome Corsi, co-author of the best-selling book "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," told CNSNews.com the he was "surprised" the Navy did not have a copy of Kerry's discharge file.

"That means [Kerry's] got it," Corsi said. "It goes against his contention that he has released everything that is in his possession, because certainly that form is in his possession."

Corsi believes that the Navy's official response proves that "it's Kerry who is blocking the release of the [military] documents and nobody else."

"What's Senator Kerry got to hide?" Corsi asked. "By not releasing these files, he is creating the impression that there is something there he doesn't want anybody to see. What is it?"

Judicial Watch is also awaiting the U.S. Navy's response to its inquiry regarding Kerry's "Silver Star with combat V." The citation appears in Kerry's DD214 military form on his website, but according to military officials, no such medal exists.

"Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star," said a Naval official to reporter Thomas Lipscomb in an article for the August 27th Chicago Sun Times.

According to the Sun Times article, "Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a 'combat V' for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star 'combat V,' either."

See Related Articles:
Kerry Blamed for Viet Vets Being Dubbed 'Atrocity Committing Monsters' POW Say (Sept. 10, 2004)
Kerry, in 1971, Admitted Writing Combat Reports (Aug. 26, 2004)
FBI Files Show Kerry Met With Communists More Than Once (June 4, 2004)
Kerry's Meeting With Communists Violated US Law, Says Author (May 20, 2004)
Kerry Lying About Anti-War Past, Supporter Alleges (March 18, 2004)

E-mail a news tip to Marc Morano.


Send a Letter to the Editor about this article.





318 posted on 09/16/2004 9:12:13 PM PDT by ppaul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Howlin

LOL.......love ya, you know. :)

P.S. I'd be a campaign manager's worst nightmare.......


319 posted on 09/16/2004 9:15:38 PM PDT by RightOnline
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 299 | View Replies]

To: RightOnline

You'd need your own bail bondsman.


320 posted on 09/16/2004 9:17:17 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 319 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 261-280281-300301-320321-336 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson