What the hell is going on here? Or why is CBS clinging so ferociosly to this lie?

My fertile mind | 08/15/04 | me

[Pharmer]

I think that it is safe to say that this whole Rathergate/memogate stuff at this point is just out of control. If your ten year old got caught in a fib and continued to behave in this way even the most "progressive" of parents would would have this child have a close encounter with a razor strap. So why is CBS carrying on this way? I have heard many intresting theories posted here, on talk radio, and other places.

So let's review some of them. First we all know that the Swift Boat dudes was a shot in Kerry's solar plexis. It wasn't fatal but it caught him off guard and knocked the wind out of him. Kerry knows that has exposed his glass jaw and the swifties moving in with more even more devastaing blows. We all can aggree the TANG story was resurected for the umpteenth time to clearly to blunt any future efforts.

And if you look at the "suspicious timing" of media events we have:

a) The 60 minutes story Wednesday night producing documents from one of Bush's TANG officers that seem to imply that he had a different opinion of the young leutenant that he told his wife and and son and left a letter of commendation in Bush's personnel file.

b) Terry McAufull and Tom Harkin racing to the microphone Thursday morning to damand Bush answer the charges as to why he failed to show up for a physical as to set up

c) The Kitty Kelly cocaine story and voila!

d) Bush is a coke head just who ducked a physical with a drug test (in 1972! Before Nancy said NO) as we thought back in 2000 but now we have a paper trail!

But as we now know as in the the best laid plans of mice and men, the initial key components the documents were baltant and amatuerish forgeries. This blew the whole plan out of the water faster than a submerged mine blew up the number 3 boat. Just like Kerry did then the MSM ran from this story so fast it wasn't funny. They knew they were sunk, busted and had! I wouldn't be surprised that when all is said and done that whoever the source of these document was may have shopped them around to various media outlets before CBS took the bait. And most of them might have come to the same conclusions it took us "amatuer" Freepers and Buckhead 59 minutes to figure out: these were Cracker Jack Box phonies.

So why after being caught in such a blatant lie is CBS continuing to stand by this story when the scheme has been exposed? Some say arogance. Some say that CBS is covering for its source. I have a sneaking suspicion that more is afoot.

Remember when Richard Ben-Veniste during the 9/11 hearings tried to embarass John Ashcroft by asking him why he stopped flying commercial a month prior to 9/11? or how about when Bush had that press conference last spring and the press repeatedly tried to embarass Bush with stupid questions and get him to "apologize" for Iraq?

Well guess whats comming up? The debates. And who is moderating one of those debates? Bob Schieffer. And who does Bob Schieffer work for...? CBS!!! Don't be surprised if Scheifer askes "Mr president, last month the 60 minutes raise questions based on documents attributed to your former commanding officer in the Texas Air National Guard. To date you have not addressed those questions. Don't you think that tonight you answer those questions for the American people?" No matter what other questions asked in those debates that one will have justified the stonewalling we see now and that I think is the end-game. They want to embarass him with a phony question live and right in front of Kerry. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll handle it fine and with dignity. But knowing the contempt that these guys have for Bush they think this might just do him in.

[Erasmus]

Danny, DID YOU EAT THAT COOKIE?

"No, Mommy, but he sure did drink up all that Kerry Kool-Aid."

[mplsconservative]

BoBToMatoE wrote:
i can just see w's response..

"you mean questions raised by those forged documents?"

:D

well, the rumor is that CBS has a second hit story floating around in the backroom to be
aired in october as its "october suprise" which pins bush as an outright coke head (that is why
he did not take the physical).

THAT is probably why they are clinging to it. not to mention, they do not want it to back
fire. it looks like everything is okay so far, i have not seen any huge bumps in the polls for
bush lately (he is holding steady, though)."


I know you're a newbie, but sheesh! Which threads have you been concentrating on the past few days? Just the ones pertaining to this story?

The Prez is up in polls all over the place, big time!

Also, please try and capitalize where it is necessary.

DUmmies are not big fans of grammar.

Some might think you're a DU'er TRYING to sow little seeds of doubt.

That won't work at FR.

BTW, where's LaRRy ThE CuCuMbEr?

[Capricam]

This whole guard memo scandal has accomplished what the Kerry campaign most needed at the time. To divert attention away from Kerry's record and back to Bush's. Much like a fighter who has been up against the rope and is getting groggy from being so consistently punched, Kerry needed a break and this provided just that break. Lately all the news has been about Bush and Kerry has been able to play offense again. It was brilliant. But we need to put the focus back on Kerry and HIS record, in and out of Vietnam!

"Offense vs. Defense.

I've switched sides more than a few times trying to decide on how to answer this question and I've settled on offense.

Great defensive skills make a better fighter! However, judges rarely award points on defense. Judges do not know the meaning of ring generalship, anyone who saw the Christy Martin vs. Belinda Laracuente can attest. Unlike team sports where defense prevents the opposing team from scoring, in boxing it does not.

In boxing a great defense will lessen your chances of getting knocked out or injured but a great offense will always win you the fight."

-Blackbull-

[concerned about politics]

Don't forget the latest abu-grab book also came out Monday.
Looks like it was a major hit setup against Bush by the MSM and coordinated with the DNC

Kerry admitted to worse atrocities. He wants to be the president, too. If people are outraged about underwear on heads, wait'll they get a load of what Kerry did.

[expatpat]

It would be nice to go back and check that letter once more.

Several other experts said the Foster note was a forgery.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Perhaps Kerry's handlers saw the election going glimmering and decided they had to do something outrageous to turn the polls around. Someone handed them the phony memos and whoever is running the show said, "this will do," and gave it to Rather.

They figured that the memo story only had to hold up for a few weeks to get traction and stop Bush's momentum. After that, so what if they turn out to be phony? They can spin that story until after Kerry's inauguration easily. They really didn't expect the whole thing to blow up in their faces in about twenty minutes.

So, now Rather is stalling while he tries to figure out a way out without going to jail or revealing his source (the Kerry campaign or DNC).

It's pleasant to think about, anyway.

[stocksthatgoup]

"IF THIS SET OF DOCUMENTS IS FALSE, HOW CAN WE BELIEVE ANY DOCUMENTS THAT FOLLOW? C bs NEEDS TO REVEAL THE SOURCE OF THESE DOCUMENTS NOW!"

[exDemMom]

I REALLY hate conspiracy theories (tin hat on) but this is sooo blatant with the Gang off 500 ala ABC's the Note and that dude at Newsweek. To see it blow up in their faces is so rich! ;D. But we must remain vigilant (add foil to tin hat!!)

I've always wondered, how does one make a tin hat out of aluminum foil (two different metals, you know)? Is there a source of genuine tin foil from which one can fashion one's tin hats?

[expatpat]

Pat Caddell was outspoken against Bubba, too.

[Erasmus]

As a climax to all this Rather will perform a citizen's arrest on himself on See BS Evening News.

Recalling the movie "Network," ole Dan is looking more and more like Howard Beall. Hmmm.... I wonder what the CBS Suits may have planned for him?

[BoBToMatoE]

dunno where larry is.. question is why do i have an "e" on the end of tomatoE.. think '92.

as to what i am tracking.. its been this whole forgery issue which brought me here. i used to hang out on the hannity forms (im a darth there - havent visited in a while, though, because the libs over ran us).

someone asked why CBS is clinging to the story, i believe they are clinging to the story because if they lose the story (or its credibility) then they lose their chance to air their "october suprise."

i am very concerned about it because what happened in 2000 when the dems dropped that DUI at the last second. that is why i am (have been asking) what can we do as a community to crush this - and crush this now.

i want to see the rumor floating around mangled and destroyed before it has a chance to manifest its self.

i will pm you some other stuff.

thanks!

[Pharmer]

I think the 'October surprise' is on its way this week. The WaPo article mentions that the WH says there are more docs on the way. I am guessing these are the two that CBS held back but USAT had in its pdf file. One of the docs links the Lts Bush and Bath together, both of them being suspended from flying for not doing a physical. Bath was apparently kicked out for cocaine use. The inference being Bush was involved too.

IF these are the new docs they came from the same 'poisoned well' as the first, but they will bring up inference of cocaine use. This is what the DNC's "Operation Favored Son" campaign is trying to do all along.

I think all of these Bush national guard stories have been beaten to death by the MSM. The cocaine stuff too. Bush had been Pres and CinC for 4 years. The public knows this man already. Pat Cadell on H and C tonight was exactly right. Elections are not about incumbents, they are about challenger and their abilities to sell a better mouse trap to the public. The press has been trying for 4 years to smear Bush and he still polls over 50% approval rating so the election is not about him. It is weather John Kerry can convince the public that he has a better vision and plan for the future of this country. As he has not told us what his vision is, the answer seems to be no.

[concerned about politics]

To divert attention away from Kerry's record and back to Bush's.

Right. The memo is a forgery, so let's not feed it. The press has already made that well known. No one watches the old CBS anyway.

Now, about Kerry releasing the F180.
I've read the SBV's have found cases of Kerry records. So far (if those 2 on the net are real) Kerry forged his silver star. The documents, supposedly written by Kerry himself, say exactly what the Vets have said about the incident.
I wonder if the rules of securing documents are different for the Navel reserves (Kerry) as opposed to the U.S.Navy.

[Pharmer]

"I've always wondered, how does one make a tin hat out of aluminum foil (two different metals, you know)? Is there a source of genuine tin foil from which one can fashion one's tin hats?"

What right do you have to ask me these questions? What do you know of tin hats? Are you a republican? who did you vote for in the last election? Why your just an amatuer sitting there in your pajamas! Did you ever fight in Vietnam?

Speakin of PJ's mine are very inviting about now! Freep you later!

[Poincare]

I think that it all accidental; that there is no intelligent plan in the DNC camp. Never-the-less, when the Swiftvets produce the document signed by Admiral Zumwalt saying Kerry is "Unfit For Command" the Dems/MSM will all scream that it is "another" forgery. They will be screaming so loud that no one will hear the voices saying "Sign form 180".

[Archytekt]

PING

[concerned about politics]

Washington Post......

CBS anchor Dan Rather acknowledged for the first time yesterday that there are serious questions about the authenticity of the documents he used to question President Bush's National Guard record last week on "60 Minutes."

"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.'

(snip)

Some friends of Rather, whose contract runs until the end of 2006, are discussing whether he might be forced to make an early exit from CBS.

[Ilya Mourometz]

Absolutely right. Knowing that IBM, beholden to its shareholders, would not and should not get involved, CBS could have simply put out a call and got every IBM Selectric, Executive, Composer or whatever within a couple days. Other than that absurdly high-priced Selectric on eBay (pricey because of the coverage it got), these things can be found at thrift shops and elsewhere for about $10. They could also just retrieve the technical information from IBMs archives and at least start from there, instead of trolling for has-been repairmen offering worthless opinions. The reason they won't do something so obvious as to just get one of these extremely common typewriters is that they know damn well the docs are fake and cannot ever be reproduced on such machines. This by itself establishes a presumption in any reasonable person's mind that CBS knows the documents are frauds.

[Fenris6]

"Teddy Kennedy's "borking" of Robert Bork was several years before Clarence Thomas was nominated for the Supreme Court."

I stand corrected. If "who drew first blood" really matters anymore, it would have to be the Left's "borking" of Robert Bork.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Here's a fun posting from DU I just came across on a fact finding mission. This is the start of a thread, BTW.

Shit, I think I have a problem...

OK, I admit, I'm a weekend toker. However my roomate smokes several times daily, and I am exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke at least twice a day. Right now, I'm having problems with remembvering things, and often my train of thought will completley derail. I wonder if it's due to my daily exposure to secondhand pot smoke.

Remind you of anybody you've heard from lately? It almost sounds like a freeper sleeper. Too good to be true, so to speak.

Har har.

Homey