CLUELESS: O'REILLY AND PODHORETZ ON RATHERGATE

The O'Reilly Factor | 9.15.04 | Mia T

[Mia T]

CLUELESS: O'REILLY AND PODHORETZ ON RATHERGATE

THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

9.14.04

Dear Mr. O'Reilly,

Contrary to your discussion tonight with John Podhoretz ("The O'Reilly Factor"-FoxNew), the authenticity of the Dan Rather memos is no longer open to debate.

Irrefutable proof on multiple levels now exists that the memos are forgeries.

Your problem seems to be that either you lack the technical expertise to evaluate the material... or you never examined the material in the first instance.

Additionally, both you and Podhoretz seem to approach this story with a pro-media bias, and you, in particular, seem to confuse proof in a court of law with reasoned analysis of the facts.

The author of THE PROOF is JOSEPH M. NEWCOMER, Ph.D., an acknowledged expert in the field and one of the pioneers/developers of electronic typesetting.

He proves definitively that the CBS memos are modern (and laughably inept) forgeries. (He states up front, BTW, that he is no fan of Bush, but that he is even less a fan of fraud.)

Both you and Podhoretz engaged in a bit of circular reasoning tonight. Your premise, that Rather wouldn't knowingly engage in the fraud, is something more suitably left for a possible conclusion.

That Rather used only a purported "handwriting expert" -- who now, BTW, turns out to be not even that -- exposes his less than honest motivation. If you know anything about computer graphics (think 'copy and paste'), you would know that a signature cannot be validated from a photocopy.

Signature and type analyses constitute the Newcomer treatise. I strongly urge you to study it.

 

Sincerely,

Mia T

cc. John Podhoretz

 

COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

by Mia T, 9.14.04

 

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Q ERTY SERIES Thanx to Calpernia

The Kerry-Rather-Barnes forgeries and flip-flops aside, the attempted analogy is risible...
No sense of proportion on the Left, fontwise or otherwise.

A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
...BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?

WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

 

 

by Mia T, 8.21.04

"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I, and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us," says former Vietnam POW Paul Galanti, a highly decorated Navy combat pilot.

Galanti flew 97 combat missions over Vietnam before being shot down and held at the notorious Hanoi Hilton for seven years -- including while Kerry testified.

"SELLOUT"
(click to see Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Ad #2)

 

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The United States Constitution
Amendment 14, Section 3

 

UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO

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NEW! compleatjohnkerry.blogspot.com

NEW! unfitforcommand.blogspot.com

johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

 

 

 

THE KERRY-RATHER-BARNES FORGERIES DECONSTRUCTED

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KERRY-EDWARDS TRIES TO SHUT DOWN DEBATE

KERRY'S VIETNAM FIXATION
PART 1: advice from bill

Kerry's new W offensive

YOO-HOO! UNDECIDEDS + "PERSUADABLES"
HEAR THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HEAR

(WHY INFORMED, RATIONAL DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR BUSH)

DECONSTRUCTING ZELL MILLER

EXPLOITING MAX CLELAND

Kerry is UNFIT #21: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
BOARDHEAD TO THE RESCUE

The Left's Fatally Flawed "Animal Farm" Mentality
(Why America Must NEVER AGAIN Elect a Democrat President)

Kerry is UNFIT #20: THUMBSUCKER SERIES
PREEMPTION-(the whole ball of wax)

CONTEMPLATING KERRY'S "GUT"

A PRESIDENT KERRY MAY BE ABHORRENT
...BUT IS IT EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?

getting kerry's goat
john kerry lacks presidential temperament

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YOO-HOO! followthemoney.org. . .
OVER HERE!

"bombastic ass" is not the antidote to "boorish ass"
(or why Keith Olbermann Cannot Do Cleanup for Chris Matthews)

UNFIT #19:
JOHN KERRY'S "MORE SENSITIVE WAR ON TERROR"

THE COMPLEAT JOHN KERRY
WHY JOHN KERRY IS DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA

Kerry, NOT Bush, paralyzed by 9/11 attacks
Hear Kerry admit he could not think

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES ³
UNFIT #10: 9/10 mindset

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES ₂
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]

THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES₁

dox in sox on lummox in box on fox

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(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)

Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

THE MAN FROM HOPE: been there, done that

"Hope is on the way!" (the scoop)

THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects

A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists

ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES: 8/10/04 UPDATE!
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief

UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO

UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists

sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation

"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD

pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic

USEFUL IDIOTS

MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE

The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL

JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans

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deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"

vetting missus clinton...

The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick

nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)

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Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content

"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?

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The Mary Jo White Memo:
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What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?

giant sucking sound
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Q ERTY6 ^{utter failure}_BUMP

Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism

MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
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(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)

The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)

UDAY: "The end is near… this time I think the… Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."

 

 

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[USA_Soccer]

Bill has developed a soft spot for Kerry lately.

Must be some kind of Irish-Catholic thing :(

[rhinohunter]

O'Reilly is just covering for his buddy Dan. It's a prime example of the rich and powerful protecting each other -- just like O'Reilly is always preaching at us about.

[Mia T]

ping

[EagleUSA]

I listened to this very interview last night. I was very suprised with Bill's sympathy for Rather...that was a shock given Rather's BLATANT, OBVIOUS complicity in this whole scam, along with his blind defense of the indefensible.

My hope is that CBS pays the price it MUST pay for their irresponsible reporting and perversion of journalism. Then we should get back to the real issues of this campaign, Kerry's historical record.

[Just mythoughts]

Nice, however, orielly stated that he is on a "crusade" and that being the case he like the Clintons will never never ever admit anything that slows down the plots and plans.

[Dave S]

As usual Mia you are going off half cocked. O'Reilly and Podhoretz are both as convinced as anyone else in the media including Britt Hume, etc that the documents are fakes.

You disagree with O'Reilly giving Rather the benefit of the doubt on whether he knowingly presented forgeries as true documents. Rather, given his bias, could easily have been snookered and wanted to believe that they were real. He still may believe that he is right. That doesnt mean that he was part of some grand conspiracy with the Kerry campaign. If you are want to persuade people you dont go for some off the wall conspiracy when its enough just to show that CBS and Rather's inherent bias was enough to cause them to get hoaxed.

[xzins]

Can you believe that O'Reilly was spouting this nonsense again last night?? I have no idea why BillO feels compelled to state what he CANNOT know, i.e., that Dan Rather wouldn't knowingly do this, but he continues to do so. If he's so fastidious about facts, then what FACT does he have to PROVE (documentary evidence) that DanBlather is meticulously cleared in MemoGate?

He has nothing. Nada. Zilch.

The other day when every expert that draws breath was saying the documents were fakes, BillO shrugs his shoulders and says, "I can't say if they're fakes or not." (or somesuch comment.)

A gazillion experts on record and BillO can't make up his mind????

It's time I watched more at 9 PM than at 8 PM. Hannity deserves to be Fox's flagship show. BillO is simply too wishy-washy.

[Thermalseeker]

O'Reilly is just covering for his buddy Dan. It's a prime example of the rich and powerful protecting each other -- just like O'Reilly is always preaching at us about.

You beat me to it. O'Reilly is always harping on how the rich and powerful protect each other and now he's doing the same. It's either that or he's intentionally "softballing" everything sKerry in hopes of getting an interview with him.

[nevergore]

Bill O'Reilly never changed....we just got to know him better....

O'Reilly has always been a pragmatist without an idealogical core value system. This approach can lead to some short term solutions for problems but ignores the long term consequences of those solutions.

When he first appeared on TV, he was a refreshing choice to the left wing idealogues spouting their daily DNC talking points...Instead of talking points, O'Reilly actually proposed solutions. Initially he tackled left wing issues that other media hacks kept off limits. We all squealed with delight watching countless Clinton hacks and demagouges have the O'Reilly knife put to their throat.

Eventually, Clinton left office and O'Reilly began to focus on politics in general and social issues and this is when our sweethart relationship ended.

I can't stand to watch him any longer, not because he pontificates, but because even when I agree with his initial assessment, his solution is almost always wrong.

Void of principal and ideaoligy, "The Factor" is a Cruise Ship adrift without a captain. Hopefully the passengers will notice before they run into the iceberg.

NeverGore :^)

[inconspicuous]

...great post!....

...boooiiiinnnnggg!......

;)

[over3Owithabrain]

From what I've seen of BOR over the last few days, he is not very concerned about the fake memos. Yes, he has implied that they are likely fake, but who doesn't know that? Most of his comments on the matter are dismissive of the opposition to the fake documents and blasting the internet, right-wingers, etc. Plus he as usual throws in his pious "both sides" line. BOR is looking out for himself, and Rather and Kerry to a lesser extent.

[MistyCA]

This is great! Thanks!!

[mabelkitty]

bumpity-bump-bump

[keysguy]

O' Reilly has that "I wanna be a big shot complex" and it colors everything he does. Hannity/Colmes now gets more numbers on their t.v. show and hannity completely blows the "big O" away on radio that too must really piss him off. He will get over it one day when he is on midnights instead of prime time.

[Dave S]

From what I've seen of BOR over the last few days, he is not very concerned about the fake memos.

His opening segment two night in a row have been about CBS and the forged documents and how CBS is destroying its credibilty.

[Adder]

I saw the interview last night. I was surprised that Bill O didn't know about Littlegreenfootballs.
I doubt he has done his homework on this very much at all.
For him to try to suggest that seeBS was duped and is blameless flies in the face of the available evidence: were it true, they should be screaming their innocence and should have no problem exposing their source.
No....there is something else going on for them to be stubbornly clinging to this story and to even suggest that its not the memos but what they say that matters, as if people are so stupid that they will swallow that an acucsation that is forged still makes it true.
seeBS is up to their eyeballs in this.
we deserve to know why.

[nutmeg]

Great work, Mia! Will ping my FoxFan list here.

[nutmeg]

FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

[Mia T]

1- I have not here discussed "a conspiracy" involving Rather/CBS. And such "a conspiracy" is not the point of this post.

The point of this post is to expose O'Reilly's--and to a lesser extent, Podhoretz's--pro-media bias, lack of critical thinking skills, lack of technical expertise and lack of a vigorous examination of the facts.

2- O'Reilly, (unlike Podhoretz), is clearly technically clueless and believes the forgery issue is still open to debate.

3- O'Reilly's reasoning ability is always questionable.... and it is invariably colored by his own self-described personal trauma as victim of "personal attack."

4- Rather's bias, alone, cannot account for

• his lack of due diligence,
  
• his own pushing of the story to CBS for months,
  
• his use of an irrelevant--and as we now know, unqualified--"expert,"
  
• his use of a thoroughly discredited prime witness with multiple conflicts of interest, Ben Barnes,
  
• his use of himself as the reporter, given his bias and his close ties to said prime witness
  
• his spiking of exculpatory witnesses, etc, etc.
  

5- If Rather still believes the memos are genuine, then he lacks the minimal reasoning skills required of his job. If he knows they are fake, then he lacks the minimal ethics required of his job....