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Ex-staffer: Bush records are fake (& said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time w/ TANG)
Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/15/04

Posted on 09/14/2004 10:53:24 PM PDT by ambrose

Sept. 15, 2004, 12:24AM

Ex-staffer: Bush records are fake

Secretary to military officer says she never typed the memos

By ROBERT CROWE and JULIE MASON

Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

A former secretary at Ellington Air Force Base is challenging the legitimacy of documents used to discredit President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, saying the records are probably fake because she never typed them.

Marian Carr Knox, 86, former secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, worked at the Houston air base from 1956 to 1979. She is now retired.

"They're forgeries as far as I'm concerned because I didn't type them," Knox said Tuesday at her southwest Houston home.

She said she typed all of Killian's memoranda and office letters during the time Bush served under him in the early 1970s.

Knox said the subject matter in the documents does, however, reflect sentiments Killian expressed to her at the time.

"I did not type those, no, but the information in them is correct," she said.

A longtime Democratic primary voter, Knox said she is not a Bush political supporter.

Hers are the latest claims against the documents, which for several days have been at the center of a tantalizing political mystery within the presidential campaign.

CBS News used documents purportedly written and signed by Killian, Bush's former superior at Ellington, as the basis for a critical report on Bush's guard service in the early 1970s.

Specifically, the documents allege that Bush failed to take a required physical examination and lost his flying privileges. The papers indicate Killian was pressured to "sugarcoat" Bush's record.

Though Bush never took his physical and was honorably discharged, Knox said it was rare for pilots like him to not take physicals under similar circumstances.

"Darn right it was a big issue," she said. "That was one of the things the pilots had to do."

Questions about the president's Guard service surfaced during his first campaign for president and again this year, particularly in contrast to Democrat John Kerry's service in the Navy during the Vietnam War.

With regard to the specific allegations surrounding Bush's failure to take the required physical, White House officials have said the requirement was waived when Bush was transferred to non-flying status in Alabama.

Knox said she decided to report her recollection of the time period to the media after hearing White House press officials say the information in the memos was false.

She said the military jargon in the documents would be used in the Navy or Army and not the Air Force. Also, she said the font used for the documents did not match fonts used on either the manual Olympia or IBM Selectric typewriters she used while working there.

Though some have challenged the use of superscript typeface in the documents, Knox said the IBM Selectric typewriter she used when Bush was in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron did have the capability to type in superscript.

Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.

Bush's father, former President Bush, was a member of Congress when his son was a Guard pilot.

Generally, Knox said Killian was anxious about creating a paper trail at the Guard base, and kept copies of his correspondence, which he would write out longhand and give her to type.

Killian died in 1984.

In recent days, questions have been raised by members of Killian's family and others, who challenged the authenticity of documents, in part by saying Killian did not keep copies of his letters.

Knox disputed that claim, saying Killian kept copies to protect himself, although she said she did not retain any copies herself.

CBS has declined to identify the source of the documents. The network, which originally aired the claims on the venerable 60 Minutes news magazine, has stood by its reporting.

Knox said last week she had not seen the disputed documents obtained by CBS, butwas reacting to news reports challenging their authenticity, primarily by countering claims that Killian did not keep copies.

robert.crowe@chron.com

julie.mason@chron.com


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; killian; mariancarrknox; tang
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To: ambrose
***... venerable 60 Minutes news magazine...***

Gosh, I wonder if the Houston Chronicle is LIBERALLY biased.

True, 60 Minutes is old (I don't know how old 60 Minutes II is) but it doesn't have dignity and has lost almost everyone's respect.

21 posted on 09/14/2004 11:23:02 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ambrose

Has anyone else noticed that her story keeps getting better and better the more times she tells it?

The embellishment and her memory get more vivid with each telling.

She and Kerry ought to write a book together.


22 posted on 09/14/2004 11:23:31 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
"wonder what changed her story?"

Probably free meds for life, courtesy of the DNC. Most elderly folks would sell their souls for free perscription drugs on the taxpayers dime.

23 posted on 09/14/2004 11:24:33 PM PDT by AF68
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To: not_apathetic_anymore
and you're certainly taking the high road giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I'm merely accepting the word of Killian's son that he remembers her as a nice old lady. Given this, and the fact that we are talking about the press here, I am inclined to imagine an interview between a reporter and a nice old lady. A good reporter can get a nice old lady to say anything he wants if he talks to her long enough.
24 posted on 09/14/2004 11:32:45 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: ambrose
when the only remaining advocate of the forged documents is a partisan 86 year old retired secretary for the TANG, it tells you just about everything you need to know about the state of the dems smear campaign.
25 posted on 09/14/2004 11:54:57 PM PDT by smonk
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To: ambrose

Sounds like she's no fan of President Bush's

But not willing to get in trouble for lying about the documents


26 posted on 09/15/2004 12:16:24 AM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: jrpascucci
But in this Houston Chronicle article (and _not_ in the NYT), it asserts she had 'no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time' in the TANG.

Is there any way to cache this page, just in case it suddenly disappears.
27 posted on 09/15/2004 12:38:52 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: igoramus987

I recommend 'Furl', something I heard about from another freeper. www.furl.net. Seems to work passably well...I just saved a copy of each.


28 posted on 09/15/2004 12:57:54 AM PDT by jrpascucci
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To: jrpascucci

thanks jrpascucci.

I hope Kerry gets hit with his first purple heart soon. Kerry claims to the Officer in Charge of the mission, and that there was hostile fire. Whenever there is hostile fire, the Officer in Charge must write up an after-action report. So where is this report?

No report = No hostile fire = Bogus 1st Purple Heart.


29 posted on 09/15/2004 2:19:20 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: ambrose

I think we need to be careful not to say anything negative about the old hag.


30 posted on 09/15/2004 2:22:50 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: ambrose
Marian Carr Knox, 86, former secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, worked at the Houston air base from 1956 to 1979. She is now retired.

Unclear from this whether she was secretary to Killian the whole time she was there. Seems unlikely if she now claims no first-hand knowledge of Bush's service.

31 posted on 09/15/2004 2:36:36 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

Killian's son said in another article that she was not Killians's exclusive secretary, but a typist assigned to the unit.


32 posted on 09/15/2004 2:38:03 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
wonder what changed her story?

Ca-ching.

33 posted on 09/15/2004 2:39:13 AM PDT by kassie ("It's the soldier who allows freedom of speech, not the reporter..")
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To: ambrose; maica
Killian's son said in another article that she was not Killians's exclusive secretary, but a typist assigned to the unit.

! ! ! !

34 posted on 09/15/2004 2:43:20 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Freee-dame

here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-guard15sep15,1,39360,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines
""First of all, she was the secretary not just to my dad but to many officers, and her primary job was to do typing for the group commander," Killian said."


35 posted on 09/15/2004 2:46:20 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

Thank you!


36 posted on 09/15/2004 2:51:33 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ambrose

I'm curious ... aside from the fact this women states she didn't type the memo, therefore to her they're in all probability fake ... can she verify the address? PO Box 34567 for the Texas ANG unit address ... that has to be bogus.


37 posted on 09/15/2004 3:04:42 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

That PO Box is one of the correct items on the memos.


38 posted on 09/15/2004 3:43:47 AM PDT by maica (CBS collaborates with DNC/KerryKamp)
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To: ambrose; carlo3b; stanz; christie
Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard,...

BUMP!!!

39 posted on 09/15/2004 9:47:03 AM PDT by jellybean (Support Swift Boat Veterans For Truth)
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To: ambrose
-Chronicle did not run her story last week

Do you have any idea why the Chronicle didn't run her story last week? Do you think they concluded she was a nice old lady, but unreliable?

40 posted on 09/15/2004 10:09:09 AM PDT by jellybean (Support Swift Boat Veterans For Truth)
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