Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT ...
Drudge ^ | 9/14/04

Posted on 09/14/2004 3:50:57 PM PDT by ambrose

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEP 14, 2004 17:48:35 ET XXXXX

TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT STANDS BY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BUSH

The DRUDGE REPORT has found Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's former secretary who claims that the Texas Air National Guard documents offered by CBS in its 60 MINUTES II report filed by Dan Rather last week are indeed 'forgeries'.

"I did not type these particular memos. I typed memos like these," Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT from her home in Houston.

"I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos. There are terms in these memos that are not Guard terms but that are Army terms. They use the word 'Billets'. I think they were using that to refer to the slot. That would be a non-flying slot the way we would use it. And the style... they are sloppy looking."

But Marion Carr Knox stands by the accusations contained in the allegedly fraudulent documents that Bush skirted a medical and flight exam without suffering institutional repercussions.

"The information in these memos is correct -- like Killian's dealing with the problems."

"It was General Staudt, not then Lt. Colonel Hodges [who succeeded Staudt], that was putting on the pressure to whitewash Bush. For instance he didnt take his flight examination or his physical. And the pilots had to take them by their birthdays. Once in a while there would be a reason why a pilot would miss these things because some of them were commercial pilots. But they had to make arrangements to take their exams."

Knox speculated as to how she thought the forgeries were created saying, "My guess is that someone in the outfit got hold of the real ones and discussed it with a former Army person."

Knox worked for the Guard from 1957 until she retired in 1979, and she was Lt. Col. Killian's secretary during the time President Bush served in Texas.

Contacted by the DRUDGE REPORT, Lt. Col. Killian's son Gary, who also served in the unit during the same period, responded: "I know Marion Carr. I remember her as a sweet lady who reminded me then of a dear aunt."

"But if Staudt had put pressure on my dad, there would have been a blow-up -- instantly. It was one of the reasons they got along so well. They had a mutual respect for one another."

"As has been pointed out by so many others, then Col Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months. And I stand by my previous comments regarding my dad's admiration for Lt. Bush and his regard for him as an officer and pilot -- which was exemplary."

Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT that she did not vote for Bush in 2000 because he is 'unqualified' for the job, and does not intend to vote for him in 2004, either.

"Bush was not the only person of privilege who had a spot in the Guard. Senator [Lloyd] Bensen's nephew was in headquarters. There was a big jewelery store, Gordons. Their son was in the Guard. The owner of Batelstein's, a posh department store in the area, his son was in. The other kids couldn't get in like that. Hugh Roy Cullen's grandson was also in. He was a big oil man."

Knox, however, did have some kind words about then Lt. Bush.

"[Bush] was always pleasant and gentlemanly to me," she said. "I never noticed him not being respectful. I thought he was a nice young man and that he must have had very nice parents to produce a son as nice as he seemed to be."

Knox has been following the story since last week when the 60 MINUTES II broadcast aired, and on Friday she contacted the HOUSTON CHRONICLE wanting to tell her side of the story. Since then the DALLAS MORNING NEWS has also contacted her.

"What really hecked me off was when it was somebody on TV, associated with the White House, who said that all of this information was lies. And I got excited at the time because I knew that I had typed documents with this information because a person like Bush stood out from the others -- because of his association with his father."

Asked about reports that Lt. Col. Killian's wife and son saying he didn't type, Knox stated, "He didn't need to. He had me."

Knox explains that the August 18, 1973 date typed on one of the "forged" documents proves that they were faked. Group Commander Staudt, who allegedly had been putting pressure on Killian, retired in 1972.

To the best of her recollection, Knox explains that Staudt must have put pressure on Killian in 1972 -- the year he retired.

"If my father was going to type a CYA memo, which he didn't," Gary Killian responded. "He would have typed it himself because he wouldn't have wanted anyone to see it. But it's academic because Colonel Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months -- as is well documented."

Contacted at his office in Bartlett, Texas, former Major Dean Roome, who served with Lt. Bush, responded to the latest information.

"If the memos are fraudulent, then why were they generated? Roome asked.

"Marion Carr Knox is validating what the rest of us are saying. She says once in a while a pilot would miss a physical because some of them were commercial pilots. I was also a commercial pilot with Continental Airlines. The clinic did not just open up for us to take a personal physical. The Flight Surgeons had to be there along with a full complement of medical personnel. We took our physical during the Uniformed Training Assembly (UTA) just like everyone else."

"The 'former Army person' she references is the person we believe may have created the fraudulent documents in an effort to injure President Bush. He has his own agenda and I doubt that he has any 'real ones' [documents].

Ms. Knox states emphatically that she is not acting for political motives, and has no formal relationship with any political party. She says she just wants to set the record straight.

Developing...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: killian; mariancarrknox; rathergate; tang
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 161-165 next last
To: Shermy

The flight physical at issue was in 1972, which had to be taken by July 6th.

Staudt retired in March of 72.


61 posted on 09/14/2004 4:21:48 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: ambrose

Why haven't they asked Ms. Knox the brand name and model typewriter she used in her office?


62 posted on 09/14/2004 4:22:01 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Shermy
She's a mixed up elderly lady, or Drudge's reportage lacks clarity, or both.

I vote for both.

63 posted on 09/14/2004 4:22:48 PM PDT by bluecollarman (And the 4 mos that he served, Had shattered all his nerves,And left a little rice grain in his ass.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: ambrose

How old is this woman? If she retired in 1979, at what, 65 yrs old, and now it's been 25 years later, she must be 90. Wonder who's paying, uh, I mean coaching her?


64 posted on 09/14/2004 4:24:18 PM PDT by MagnoliaB (Never forget.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ambrose
Knox speculated as to how she thought the forgeries were created saying, "My guess is that someone in the outfit got hold of the real ones and discussed it with a former Army person."

Then, why didn't that someone get a typewriter of that era, no, the same typewriter used in those offices, to type the memos? This would have been A) easy, B)cheap, and C) make the controversy one of he said/she said instead of a presumption of fraud.

To me, something continues to smell.

65 posted on 09/14/2004 4:24:24 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Prime Choice

My 86-year-old mother-in-law in the nursing home has a perfect memory! Problem is, when her grandchildren come to visit her, she doesn't know who they are.


66 posted on 09/14/2004 4:24:25 PM PDT by Alouette (Dan Rather lied. CBS died.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Too many Dem talking point, to be sure. She even hits Big Oil.

I say let the woman talk. She isn't a John O'Neil. She's already contradicting herself in statements, she'll invalidate herself.


67 posted on 09/14/2004 4:25:58 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Pharlap

Maybe SHE'S a forgery of the real Ms. Knox.


68 posted on 09/14/2004 4:26:09 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: xm177e2

My guess is that she was contacted before on the subject and was even the source of the original allegation, but could never corroborate her statements.


69 posted on 09/14/2004 4:26:24 PM PDT by Eva
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ambrose
"Bush was not the only person of privilege who had a spot in the Guard. Senator [Lloyd] Bensen's nephew was in headquarters...

Since she has already seen the forgeries, it is a little late for her to objectively remember what happened. Perhaps she typed up a memo on Bensen's nephew. Perhaps the memo was not as critical as she remembers.

Plus, I seem to remember a See B.S. source trying another CYA where the documents were supposedly typed up from original hand written memos...which means Knox didn't type them.

70 posted on 09/14/2004 4:26:51 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sitetest

I would think the physicals are annual. It would be interesting to know if Bush missed one in 72 and had to make it up later.

That would make the whole 73 affair fit with what Bush said it was. That he did not want to fly anymore, so he did not need to take the physical.


71 posted on 09/14/2004 4:26:52 PM PDT by bluecollarman (And the 4 mos that he served, Had shattered all his nerves,And left a little rice grain in his ass.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: ambrose

how come all this crap is coming out now? Why not four years ago?

Somethin ain't right.


72 posted on 09/14/2004 4:27:04 PM PDT by bubman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sartorius
her 15 minutes of fame. Ten to one she is discredited and made to look like a moron within one day.

But that's OK because by tomorrow she'll have forgotten it all anyway.

73 posted on 09/14/2004 4:27:09 PM PDT by Alouette (Dan Rather lied. CBS died.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: ambrose

Look at page ten of the following to get and idea of the Al. posting
http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/6-Reassignments_Spilt_Training.pdf

Bush was going to a not flying postion... (the 187 in AL is recon..and F102 are not a recon aircraft) so why would he be required to get a flight phyical


74 posted on 09/14/2004 4:27:52 PM PDT by tophat9000 ("Blackrock Bob" (aka DAN RATHER)....is in full denial)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: William Terrell

"...someone in the outfit got hold of the real ones...." and what? Thought it would be a good idea to retype them instead of producing the originals?

My mother would strike me with a lightning bolt from heaven for disparaging the elderly but geez, this woman needs to be hustled off the stage and fast - she makes things worse for them with every sentence.

On second thought....leave her right where she is.


75 posted on 09/14/2004 4:27:53 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: varon
Why haven't they asked Ms. Knox the brand name and model typewriter she used in her office?

They did. She said she used a manual Olympia.

76 posted on 09/14/2004 4:29:17 PM PDT by Alouette (Dan Rather lied. CBS died.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: Common Tator

ping


77 posted on 09/14/2004 4:29:32 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: ambrose
But Marion Carr Knox stands by the accusations contained in the allegedly fraudulent documents...

Yep, folks, in 4 years we have evolved from "intent of the voter", to "intent of the forger"...

78 posted on 09/14/2004 4:29:40 PM PDT by LRS (Proud to be a member of the "Digital Brownshirts")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Right Cal Gal

okay, one of them was about Hamlet.

I was typing term papers along about the same time & you're one subject ahead of me!

79 posted on 09/14/2004 4:30:32 PM PDT by elli1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: LRS

*sigh* Call IS Department. Try to explain neeed for new keyboard. Wipe off evidence of sprayed Coca-Cola....


80 posted on 09/14/2004 4:30:49 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 161-165 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson