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CBS Evening News: Questions Linger Over Bush Memos
CBS News ^ | Sept. 13, 2004 | Dan Rather

Posted on 09/13/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Questions Linger Over Bush Memos

NEW YORK, Sept. 13, 2004
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For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

 

Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley  (Photo: CBS)


 

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Memorandum, May 4, 1972

Memo to File, May 19, 1972

Memorandum For Record,
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Memo to File, Aug. 18, 1973

Read a transcript of Dan Rather's interview with Ben Barnes:

Also view documents released by the White House reflecting President Bush's National Guard service:

Memo from retired Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd on whether Mr. Bush satisfied Guard requirements

Personnel Card listing points Mr. Bush earned from May 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from October 1972 to May 1973

Service Record showing days Mr. Bush was credited with service from May 1973 to July 1973

Pay Record listing days of service in 1972 and 1973, along with computer printouts of each quarter

Dental Record showing the results of a dental examination Mr. Bush had on Jan. 6, 1973.

 




 
(CBS/AP) Amid challenges from other news media, CBS News continued to defend itself over criticism stemming from documents it obtained that questioned President Bush's service in the Air National Guard.

CBS said it used several techniques to make sure the memos should be taken seriously, including talking to handwriting and document analysts and other experts who strongly insist that the documents could have been created in the 1970s.

CBS said Monday it relied on an analysis of the contents of the documents themselves to determine their authenticity. The new papers are in line with what is known about the president's service assignments and dates, CBS said.

For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

CBS News said last week the memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard came from "solid sources."

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Mr. Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record, and Mr. Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1½ years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

New York Times columnist William Safire wrote Monday that Newsweek magazine had apparently begun an external investigation: it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

The L.A. Times reported that handwriting analyst, Marcel Matley, who CBS had claimed vouched for the authenticity of four memos, vouched for only one signature, and no scribbled initials. The Times reports he has no opinion about the typography of any of the supposed memos.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday segment — reported by Rather — on Mr. Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973.

Former colleagues of Killian disagreed Friday on the authenticity of the documents.

One, who appeared in the TV newsmagazine segment, said Friday he did not see anything in the memos that made him think they were forgeries. Robert Strong noted he's not a forensic expert and isn't vouching for the documents.

"I didn't see anything that was inconsistent with how we did business," Strong said in an interview. "It looked like the sort of thing that Jerry Killian would have done or said. He was a very professional guy."

Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents.

Retired Col. Maurice Udell, the unit's instructor pilot who helped train Mr. Bush, said Friday he thought the documents were fake.

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on 60 Minutes,"' Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

Killian's son also questioned some of the documents, saying his father would never write a memo like the "sugar coat" one.

Several of the document examiners said one clue that the documents may be forgeries was the presence of superscripts — in this case, a raised, smaller "th" in two references to Guard units.

CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, who reported the story for 60 Minutes, said typewriters were available in the early 1970s which were capable of printing superscripts. CBS pointed to other Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House that include an example of a raised "th" superscript.

That superscript, however, is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos. Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer.

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bias; cbs; cbsnews; election2004; forgery; journalism; kenneth; killian; media; rather
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Mr. Rather's story appears to be circling the drain...
21 posted on 09/13/2004 4:29:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Pete

Dan's meaculpa: COULD HAVE.


22 posted on 09/13/2004 4:30:17 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is very significant!!!

As an old CBSer, trust me, this shows that bosses at Black Rock are trying to backpedal on the story, while Rather is trying to keep it at full steam ahead.

This was never posted without approval of some highly placed people at CBS.

Rather will go ballistic when he sees this. Like Captain Queeg, he will rant over disloyalty, incompetent junior officers/staffers.

This is going to get deeper before it goes away.
23 posted on 09/13/2004 4:30:23 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Pete

24 posted on 09/13/2004 4:30:35 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Dan Rather's mistake was addressing this again on tonight's broadcast. His only chance was to ignore the situation and let his Friday comments stand - and that was a long shot. By addressing it tonight, he has set the precedent that he is required to respond to questions. That means this thing doesn't die. Buh bye, Dan.
25 posted on 09/13/2004 4:31:43 PM PDT by Pete
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is laughable. Bush's NG career occurred thirty years ago. CBS decided these were good documents because they refer to dates that coincide with dates that were already known about Bush's career.

So if I create a memo from FDR saying he knew in advance about the Dec 7th sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, my reference to Dec 7th would make ny document more reliable?

I guess the fact the documents in question accurately stated Bush was in the National Guard was also supportive.

26 posted on 09/13/2004 4:31:45 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I'm afraid this is coming to a head too soon.

The best-case scenario is that CBS stonewalls for about two weeks, after which the other networks break with big stories about the forgery. Most people who watched the 60 Minutes report don't yet know that there's a serious controversy, and will be stunned when they see the proof of forgery become widely accepted. If that happens in the next few days, there will be time for the Kerry campaign to recover, or at least to avoid responsibility. If that happens in two weeks, there will be no chance of recovery.

Partisan political operatives would have trickled out the revelations for a while, letting the story build and build. The web is just too fast to milk it.

27 posted on 09/13/2004 4:31:48 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Journalistic ethics violated by CBS:

Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:

Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.

Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.

Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.

Always question sources motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.

Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.

Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyones privacy.

Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.

Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.

Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.

Disclose unavoidable conflicts.

Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.

Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

28 posted on 09/13/2004 4:32:13 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
CBS is now preaching to the ignorant and the Bush-Haters. Anyone who cares about integrity in the media has concluded that CBS has involved itself in perpetrating a fraud, but CBS, in all its arrogance, is now preaching to the choir -- refusing to admit it was taken in (or was trying to take in the voters), and providing more fodder for those who already have an irrational hatred of Bush. They had planned this "new revelation" to be a big splash against Bush, and it isn't. They've spent more time defending themselves on this story than they have bludgeoning Bush with the bogus documents.

Any new "experts" CBS brings in to authenticate the documents are themselves frauds, but to the foaming leftwingers in CBS' diminishing audience, they're adding credence to CBS' propaganda.

29 posted on 09/13/2004 4:32:28 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hang in there Dan!!!

Keep on denying what is no longer in dispute.

Let's make this election a referendum about whether or not folks believe the documents are forgeries.


30 posted on 09/13/2004 4:32:55 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
CBS News said last week the memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard came from "solid sources."

it names "a disgruntled former Guard officer" as a principal source for CBS, noting "he suffered two nervous breakdowns" and "unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses."

These two sentences spokes volumes about their integrity and professionalism.

31 posted on 09/13/2004 4:33:24 PM PDT by Popman
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To: ServesURight
CBS News was once a mighty news organization that has now become synonymous with Weekly World News."

Sitting in for Dan Rather tonight, Bat Boy.

32 posted on 09/13/2004 4:33:37 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
CBS said Monday it relied on an analysis of the contents of the documents themselves to determine their authenticity. The new papers are in line with what is known about the president's service assignments and dates, CBS said. For instance, CBS said, the official record shows that Mr. Bush was suspended from flying on Aug. 1, 1972. That date matches the one on a memo given to CBS News, ordering that Mr. Bush be suspended.

Gee, a forger would never be able to find out that August 1, 1972 date, would he?

33 posted on 09/13/2004 4:34:43 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Attn: President & CEO Viacom
Attn: Dan Rather
Attn: Ms Maples, Produceer 60 minutes

Your attendance is requested at an FCC hearing to discuss the following:
1.) Suspension of CBS broadcast license for perpetrating a fraud, deceit and forged documents on the America Public.
2.) Disbarment from the broadcast industry for above abuses.

Please make yourselves available. Absence will be considered an admission of guilt.

Sincerely,
FCC Chairman Powell



This is what I would really like to see, followed by an FBI inquiry and arrest for forgering government documents.


34 posted on 09/13/2004 4:34:50 PM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in jail?)
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To: tioga
"danrather"

Too Funny

35 posted on 09/13/2004 4:35:08 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What time does Blather come on tonight(PDT)? I haven't watched that idiot in years and years.

Nam Vet

36 posted on 09/13/2004 4:35:13 PM PDT by Nam Vet (I couldn't live a day without my VRWC Decoder Ring)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

james carville and company made the memos. the CYA has his name written all over it. he would not have known when the CO retired and wouldn't have any way of finding out. i'll bet a dollar to a dog tur@ this is it.


37 posted on 09/13/2004 4:35:40 PM PDT by camas
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To: GreyFriar
Mr. Blather also mentioned a "memo" acquired by USA Today that bolstered CBS's case. But it was too small to read and he did not read its contents.

It was too small to read so he didn't read it...but it bolstered his case?? HUH???

38 posted on 09/13/2004 4:35:55 PM PDT by Krodg ("Weak people are beaten," Putin 9/04/2004....Hey Kerry, ARE YOU LISTENING???)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CBS website reporting shows integrity on this issue.


39 posted on 09/13/2004 4:36:12 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: gopwinsin04
I think this is being driven by Dan Rather. I would venture to guess that Dan doesn't even know how to turn on a computer. He refuses to examine the evidence...evidence that is sure and convincing to ANYONE who will sit down and examine Microsoft Word versus type written documents. That is why it was so easy to spot in the blogosphere...we all know a skunk when we see it. Rather has a bunch of toadies who say "Yes sir" when he tells them to find evidence that it's not fake. That's why his evidence is so weak.
40 posted on 09/13/2004 4:37:11 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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