Posted on 09/11/2004 5:33:30 PM PDT by dickmc
Actually, now that I think about it, I think the right margin on the page already contains the all evidence that points to authenticity.
Never mind.
New point. If the document was a copy to file, then it would have been on carbon paper, not photocopy. Photocopy machines very rare in 1972-73, everybody used carbon paper.
And under the topic of "unintended consequences", everyone
needs to be aware that the extensive internet debunking of
the CBS memos has now trained the original authors of these
forgeries in just how to create more credible documents.
ANY documents from the DNC/Kerry/CBS/etc. between now and
the election are to be treated as probable forgeries until
their provenance and authenticity is demonstrated to
courtroom standards (something CBS will not, and cannot
do for the present bird cage liners they are relying on).
To be added in your #e "Other issues (veracity of experts, etc.)"
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/007804.php
Slow-Motion Train Wreck
We noted earlier that the Boston Globe cited Dr. Philip Bouffard as its prime source for the claim that the forged CBS documents were created on a typewriter, but that Dr. Bouffard has now complained that the Boston Globe misquoted him and that in fact, "There are all kinds of things that say that this is not a typewriter."
Now, unbelievably, CBS News is relying on the Globe's misquotation of Dr. Bouffard to shore up their own untenable claims of the documents' authenticity! I guess I'm beyond being shocked by anything CBS News does, but they must have known that Bouffard has complained about the Globe's misuse of his name.
This is, of course, a sign of CBS's desperation, but it is revealing in this respect: CBS claims to have thoroughly investigated and validated the documents before they ran their story. Yet the key witness they relied on Gen. Bobby Hodges, has said that he was lied to by CBS News and that in fact, he things the documents are forgeries. Notwithstanding their supposed investigation, CBS is so hard up for ammunition to support their position that they have to repeat an already-exposed lie by the Globe.
Item 22. After seeing another document, with the address, I believe it is a pre-printed letterhead. I do not believe a printshop would use the raised "th" in a letterhead.
Know for a fact that when I worked for the military and civilian govts in the 70s, we used 8x10.5 paper size.
Another item for your "e" #39 about Matley - he has admitted to looking only at copy yet he was quoted as saying you can;t authorize a document with a copy (very Kerry-esque)
MATLEY CONFIRMS DOCUMENTS WERE COPIES [Byron York]
The New York Times interviewed CBS documents expert Marcel Matley, who confirmed that the documents the network gave him were photocopies -- and poor ones at that. According to the paper:
"Mr. Matley said the documents the network sent him were so deteriorated from copying that it was impossible to identify the typeface." '''It's sheer speculation to say that you couldn't have done that until a computer came along,'' he said."
"As a result, he said, he focused on the signatures. CBS sent him the four newfound documents, as well as others that have been verified as signed by Colonel Killian. 'There were significant similarities and the differences were insignificant,' he said in the configuration of letters and the angle of the writing."
Meanwhile, the Washington Post reported that, "Matley said last night that a '60 Minutes'
executive had asked him not to give interviews."
http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/corner.asp
BACK TO THE CBS MEMOS
The only expert cited by CBS in this case, Marcel Matley, wrote in the September 27, 2002 issue of the journal, "The Practical Litigator":
In fact, modern copiers and computer printers are so good that they permit easy fabrication of quality forgeries. From a copy, the document examiner cannot authenticate the unseen original but may well be able to determine that the unseen original is false. Further, a definite finding of authenticity for a signature is not possible from a photocopy, while a definite finding of falsity is possible.
Attempting to authenticate a signature from a photocopy is exactly what Matley did for CBS.
Game over.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/atomicpossum/segami/danny.jpg
'h' in the superscripted 'th' is a different shape than the rest of the 'h' characters. That would have required a selectric ball to be changed several times in creating the document which for a personal memo of some sort is like the chance of the sun coming up in the west tommorrow morning.
Actually the font is more likely to be Palatino Lintotype than Times New Roman as discussed here http://qando.net/blog/ . This doesn't make any less fake, however.
22 and 69 are the same. Another point about the centering is that it is the same down to the pixel on two memos typed three months apart and in modern documents created with MS Word. It's hard to say which feat is more improbable. Killian not only matched himself exactly, down to the pixel, two months apart, but matched a technology not even invented.
The distortion in the forgery could be due to optics in the copier. This is seen clearly on the LGF site: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12551_One_More_CBS_Document_Example where the document expands roughly around the word "sugar" in the middle of it. The likely cause is optical copying after printing.
More Matley info to add in E #39
Rather says Matley vouched for 4 memos, Matley says he vouched for only one.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213177/posts
This point is inaccurate. Do more homework. It has been covered extensively on FR. Look for references to an "IBM Executive".
IBM typewriter with proportional spacing was introduced in 1941.
IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters.http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html
On the Executive, you could optionally have removable type-bars. This is somewhat like later Smith-Corona portables which have removable type-slugs on the two outermost type-bars, with corresponding changeable keytop caps. In this case, though, it's the whole type-bar.http://www.geocities.com/wbd641/TypeManuals2.html
you need to put that guys one words into use he wrote a paper saying that you cant use a copy of a signature to prove if a document is real. And that is the the same guy that CBS USED! LOL you can find a link to that article on FR
The REAL BIG issue is the reports stating these docs came from the DNC to the Kerrry Campaign to CBS. CBS would have to realize that revealing this would totally undermine CBS, Kerry, and the documents. And CBS knows that taking easily forged copies from the Kerry Campaign is irresponsible. This whole thing really stinks.
I think this first point is false. Proportional font spacing WAS generally available through the IBM Executive typewriter, for example. Whether or not this was available or not at TANG, who knows.
3. superscripts not generally available
4. Small "th" single element not generally available (not common, but available. Highly unlikely the machines were available at TANG)
These two go together, sort of. It was indeed possible to get a "th" element in a typewriter head, as other Bush documents show. Unlikely, as you say, but available. The key is that such elements are not true superscript in that the top of the letters did not extend above the top of the normal letters when typed---unless the carriage was manually adjusted vertically, which is unlikely.
5. 4's produced on a typewriter are open at the top. 4's on a word processor are closed. Compare the genuine Bush ANG documents, where the 4's are open at the top, to Rather's forgeries, where the 4's are closed at the top
I don't know if this ought to be a separate point. I think this ought to be folded into a more general topic that concludes that the typeface used does not match any commonly available in typewriters, as catalogued in the Haas Atlas. Even the IBM Selectric Composer fails to sufficiently match the font.
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