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Hodges says he didn't validate memos for CBS...
NYPost article ^ | NYPost article

Posted on 09/11/2004 8:02:54 AM PDT by David Noles

"In another challenge to CBS, Killian's boss, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, told ABC News that he regards the documents as a computer "fraud," never saw them in the 1970s and didn't validate them for CBS. A senior CBS official had claimed to the Washington Post that Hodges had validated the documents. During his national news broadcast, Rather claimed "partisan political operatives" are challenging the memos but omitted the fact that Killian's widow and son dispute them...”

The NewYorkPost has a news story that reveals CBS anchor Dan Rather may have caught in their own fraudulent claims. At issue: the Bush memos and CBS’s claim that retired Major Gen. Bobby W. Hodges had validated the memos. The problem: Major Ge. Hodges denies he validated them.

On his CBS News show Friday, Rather there's no "definitive evidence" to refute the authenticity of documents about President Bush's National Guard service — and closed with this:

"If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none."

Meanwhile, the ‘unimpeachable’ CBS evidence continues to be questioned. CBS/Rather made much about their analysis expert, Marcel Matley. But according to the Post article:

But Matley is primarily a handwriting expert whose expertise in document evaluation has been challenged by the head of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners.

Matley spoke only about a signature and initials purported to be those of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian — "they are his signatures" — though two of the four memos are unsigned.

Another glaring problem: the documents obtained by CBS are not originals. They are only photocopies, and this sends up a big red flag with document experts. Excerpt from Post article:

Allan Haley — a typeface expert at Agfa Monotype — said anyone who claims to definitively authenticate a photocopy "is either guessing or is a fool."

But perhaps the more insulting claim during Rather’s Friday rebuttal was this: Rather said ‘partisan political operatives’ were challenging the memos. Did he mean to include Killian’s widow and son as ‘political operatives’??? Both are hotly contesting the validity of the documents. Killian’s widow says her deceased husband did not type. And Killian’s son says they are not authentic.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; hodges; killian; rathergate; selectricgate
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To: David Noles; All

This whole sage screams out for an hour on one of the competitors. God, I wish Fox News would do a special on its broadcast channel about this. Fox News is way too cautious and
intimidated. They really aren't doing their job anymore.


41 posted on 09/11/2004 10:22:19 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Rome2000
Is the CBS "Eye" perhaps...
The Eye of Sauron?
42 posted on 09/11/2004 10:24:26 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: David Noles

They are all liberal liars...and a bunch of stupid jerk-offs!!!


43 posted on 09/11/2004 10:25:58 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Rome2000

44 posted on 09/11/2004 10:26:13 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Yes, there's still time to buy my book.)
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To: David Noles
HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS:

Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud".

CBS responds: ""We believed Col. Hodges the first time we spoke with him. We believe the documents to be genuine.

We stand by our story and will continue to report on it."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/NotedNow/Noted_Now.html

Rather is sticking by his story because that's what it is, a STORY.

So badly sourced, so many questions and he wont even REVIEW? He "stands by this story?" Isnt this some sort of crime? Fraud? Rigging an election? False Advertising? Deception? I mean come on. How about intentional infliction of emotional distress on the American public for pulling a FRAUD such as this.
The People of The United States vs. Dan Rather, et al. That's the story I'D like to see!
45 posted on 09/11/2004 10:31:07 AM PDT by N. Beaujon (sera@ix.netcom.com)
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To: Nov3

And the hole needs to be big enough to hold the CLINTONISTAS who are BEHIND this scam to destroy Kerry, and they used their FOOL, Rather to do it!! Kerry is surrounded by enemies!!! HAHAHA.


46 posted on 09/11/2004 10:34:00 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Howlin

Holy Crap! the forged docs "answer" everyone of those questions! Good Detective work!!


47 posted on 09/11/2004 10:40:54 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cicero

Marcel Matley was the "expert" who said that the Vince Foster signature was genuine???? This is the gift that just keeps on giving!!


48 posted on 09/11/2004 10:42:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
And the hole needs to be big enough to hold the CLINTONISTAS who are BEHIND this scam to destroy Kerry, and they used their FOOL, Rather to do it!! Kerry is surrounded by enemies!!! HAHAHA.

It had to be someone "unimpeachable" for them to run with those documents without even a cursory glance. They are OBVIOUS FAKES even to a bunch of dumba$$ RATS. How could they be so stupid?????????

I hope Rush is right about those docs coming from the Kerry Campaign! That will throw their campaign into chaos trying to purge their enemies/idiots!

49 posted on 09/11/2004 10:44:47 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Lady GOP
That is my wife's favorite Dan Rather pic!
50 posted on 09/11/2004 10:52:03 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That would be an incorrect approximation of the DNC. That machinery looks like it actually works!


51 posted on 09/11/2004 10:53:55 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Beckwith
Is there any evidence that Rather has to dig his heels in because his partisan daughter, who lives in Texas, is the source?

I have posted that suggestion several times but no one has responded. I think this could be the reason Dan is digging in. Can you imagine the scandal that would ensue if his DAUGHTER was revealed as the source!

52 posted on 09/11/2004 10:55:42 AM PDT by hobson
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To: David Noles
It just kills me that it's the weekend and Rather is probably at his ranch shoveling more shinola.

Why oh why isn't today Monday and we could all be watching "As the Worm Squirms" at dinnertime tonight.

Well, we can't have everything and I'm grateful for what we got so far.

Leni

53 posted on 09/11/2004 11:01:28 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers....We Have a Great State Forum. Click the Flag on your Profile Page to Get to It)
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To: Nov3

This is from the Kerry Campaign but the Kerry campaign has been taken over by the Clintonistas, and they did this! Could be a Trifecta going down...CBS...DNC...HRC.


54 posted on 09/11/2004 11:06:13 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: David Noles

I'm loving every minute of this. Every time the CBS defenders lob some weak return over the net, they get it driven back to them at painful velocity.


55 posted on 09/11/2004 11:14:02 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Sacajaweau
Great post.

And ya know, it just seems to me that liberals are such a bunch of 'girlie men'. No wonder the terrorists see America as weak, and were fooled by the clinton era 'do nothing' about terrorism and his band of brothers in the media who supported billy all the way.

President Bush sorta, kinda bummed out osama bin pigpen and his gruesome band of cowards big time...sending them back into their caves and holes and miserable on the run lifestyle. My goodness, even Saddam, so used to making a fool out of the UN, their resolutions and making money right along with GE and France and even Russia in the meantime, got a RUDE awakening when President Bush put GRIT behind those resolutions.

All of this is SO UPSETTING to the girlie men of yesterday!

Besides that, dan rather has helped to advance the reality of major network TV bias and unfair reporting thru the stratosphere.

I believe the National Guard organization should investigate the memos, take names, interview the people CBS REFUSED to interview and include in their so called investigative report, ISSUE an National Guard lawsuit against CBS should their investigation seal the reports of the forgery...include the KILLIAN family in their lawsuit, and let the military have their SHOT AT THE PRESS CORP CABAL OF CBS that has been taking shots at them for YEARS AND YEARS!

56 posted on 09/11/2004 11:23:04 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Cboldt

I will do JUST THAT! A very solid idea.


57 posted on 09/11/2004 11:24:55 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Ann Archy

Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.

One problem with Matley's statements is that it is impossible to determine to what extent the copy of the "suicide" note used by the experts has deteriorated from the original.... because the government has yet to release any official copy of the original, much less a high-resolution one. I just don't see how Matley can point out examples of "deterioration" in copies of the note without having seen the original note.


58 posted on 09/11/2004 11:37:05 AM PDT by steelie (Still Right Thinking)
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