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From Sun-Times:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-bush10.html

Bouffard is a registered Democrat planning to vote for Kerry.

1 posted on 09/10/2004 11:40:47 PM PDT by ambrose
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''You can't just say that this is definitively the mark of a computer," Bouffard said.

From these weasel words from a Kerry supporter, the Boston Globe produces this headline:

"Authenticity backed on Bush documents"

Well... I say, BULLSHIT!

2 posted on 09/10/2004 11:42:43 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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"could have"

Right! Grasping at straws.

The idea that a Composer "could have" produced these documents has already been debunked.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 11:42:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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zing.


4 posted on 09/10/2004 11:43:22 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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How much did the flip cost I wonder? Soros could probably drop a million or two.

Does it bother Bouffard that Rather never had originals. And isn't it hysterical that the BG is dropping this. What a joke!!


5 posted on 09/10/2004 11:43:27 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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The rats are going to defend these documents like they defended clinton against charges of sex with an intern.


6 posted on 09/10/2004 11:43:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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Somebody should ask him to produce a sample.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212935/posts


7 posted on 09/10/2004 11:44:11 PM PDT by GoLightly
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Here we go again. So the memos 'could' have been created to look as shown using an IBM Selectric Composer - BIG FRIGGING DEAL. I've said this before - the chances of the TxANG having such a machine, and then using it to create MEMOS TO THE FILE are about the same as the chances of me dating Ann Coulter.
10 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:06 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa ("Oxymoron" is an oxymoron. Oxys=Sharp, keen + Moros=foolish --> moron = oxymoron.)
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Bouffard is a registered Democrat planning to vote for Kerry.

Did that model come with a time machine attachment so it could go into the future and get the technology for kerning? Sheesh.

11 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:06 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_shape_of_days/2004/09/the_ibm_selectr.html

'nuff said.
12 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:24 PM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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Yeah, no doubt the Air Force went out and bought one of those machines so some mid grade officers in the Guard could type up notes for their personal files. Yeah, and they also were looking at buying lear jets for their enlisted men.


13 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:46 PM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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He knows they are fakes. Just look at how carefully he couched his opinion.

1. The IBM selectric composer existed. [It could not center like this and the superscript th required changing a ball to a different font and a website has put up comparisons of trying to match up the documents, but it did exist.]

2. The Air Force had investigated getting such machines and may well have. [But the Air Force having such machines hardly gets them to the Houston base of the Tex ANG.]

Occam's Razor says they are fakes. He knows it. But this machine makes him not to have to admitt they are 100% fakes, eventhough there is a greater probability that OJ was innocent than that these documents were created in the 1970s.


16 posted on 09/10/2004 11:49:11 PM PDT by JLS
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I was afraid this might end up this way. It only takes them a few days to get all the media in line, selling the fraudulnet documents as real and trashing the President with them. How long will this story last? This means they'll promote the Kitty Kelley B.S. as legitimate too. The real question is, who is listening? And who believes them? And who really cares?


19 posted on 09/10/2004 11:49:36 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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''You can't just say that this is definitively the mark of a computer," Bouffard said.

*** Ahem ***

THIS IS DEFINITELY THE MARK OF A COMPUTER.

The document is identical IDENTICAL in every respect to the 300th of an inch on EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER as the exact same document typed in Microsoft Word.

20 posted on 09/10/2004 11:49:45 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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Vertical spacing and kearning should debunk this.

* The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, is not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.

From another Freeper:

[A]nother aspect of the type on [the August 18, 1973 memo] suggests, perhaps proves, forgery. 1. The type in the document is KERNED. Kerning is the typsetter's art of spacing various letters in such a manner that they are 'grouped' for better readability. Word processors do this automatically. NO TYPEWRITER CAN PHYSICALLY DO THIS.

To explain: the letter 'O' is curved on the outside. A letter such as 'T' has indented space under its cross bar. On a typewriter if one types an 'O' next to a 'T' then both letters remain separated by their physical space. When you type the same letters on a computer next to each other the are automatically 'kerned' or 'grouped' so that their individual spaces actually overlap. e. g., TO. As one can readily see the curvature of the 'O' nestles neatly under the cross bar of the 'T'. Two good kerning examples in the alleged memo are the word 'my' in the second line where 'm' and 'y' are neatly kerned and also the word 'not' in the fourth line where the 'o' and 't' overlap empty space. A typewriter doesn't 'know' what particular letter is next to another and can't make those types of aesthetic adjustments.

2. The kerning and proportional spacing in each of the lines of type track EXACTLY with 12 point Times Roman font on a six inch margin (left justified). Inother words, the sentences break just as they would on a computer and not as they would on a typewriter. Since the type on the memo is both proportionally spaced and kerned the lines of type break at certain instances (i.e., the last word in each line of the first paragraph are - 1. running, 2. regarding, 3. rating, 4. is, 5. either). If the memo was created on a typewriter the line breaks would be at different words (e. g., the word 'running' is at the absolute outside edge of the sentence and would probably not be on the first line).

3. The sentences have a wide variance in their AMOUNT of kerning and proportional spacing. Notice how the first line of the first paragraph seems squished together and little hard to read but the last line of the first paragraph has wider more open spacing. Even the characters themselves are squished in the first line (as a computer does automatically) and more spread out on the last line where there is more room.

There's no way a typewriter could 'set' the type in this memo and even a good typesetter using a Linotype machine of the era would have to spend hours getting this effect.

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Why can't these idiots get this??


23 posted on 09/10/2004 11:52:15 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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Enough of this! There is extremely small probability that a document created in 1972 matches exactly (up to the photocopy noise) the one produced with MS Word today. There is high probability that the documents are forged. Now, it would be very easy to determine for sure using the originals. So, either CBS produces originals for independent expertise, or they have no credibility.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 11:54:54 PM PDT by eclectic
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The Composer has been tried here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212935/posts

and failed.


30 posted on 09/10/2004 11:59:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: ambrose

Globe should get a pulitzer for this story! /sarcasm


32 posted on 09/11/2004 12:04:19 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGED KERRY!)
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Sounds to me like it's C.Y.A. time. He could loose Lotsa money for this blunder. Or maybe the Kerry/Fonda team got to him?


38 posted on 09/11/2004 12:09:30 AM PDT by Rabble (--------------------------------------------------------------C. Y. A. -----------------------------)
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Yawn. Except for this:

Killian's Typewriter

41 posted on 09/11/2004 12:14:56 AM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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So what he got a font from an Interpol machine...So the real question is Did killian know how to type? ( cause on a selectric hunt and peck REALLY shows up)Would anyone TYPE out memos to themselves? Did a Guard unit ( the lowest of the low on the goody scale ) actually have such a unit? And the answers are no no and no...These things stink to high heaven and if anyone thought that Kerry would win because Clinton was helping../.yeah right they have guaranteed a spot for Hillary in 2008


42 posted on 09/11/2004 12:16:37 AM PDT by jnarcus
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