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The Evidence Against Rather
free republic ^ | 11 Sep 04 | self

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:18:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Mods and Jim,

I hope you will forgive me, but no one seems to have posted this in one inclusive thread before. This is a list that has been circulating the blogs regarding the evidence of forgery of the CBS documents.

OK? Here we go:

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Some have already been clarified, but here are the running discrepancies:

1. proportional spacing not generally available (no confirmation this type of technology was available at TANG)

2. CBS admits that it does *not* have the originals, but only original documents can be proven to be real; copies can *never* be authenticated positively...repeat: only original documents can be proven real. CBS never had the originals, so CBS knew that it was publishing something that couldn't be assured of authenticity

3. superscripts not generally available

4. Small "th" single element not generally available (not common, but available. Highly unlikely the machines were available at TANG)

5. 4's produced on a typewriter are open at the top. 4's on a word processor are closed. Compare the genuine Bush ANG documents, where the 4's are open at the top, to Rather's forgeries, where the 4's are closed at the top

6. Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available – only vertical hash marks.

7. The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, common tactic of forgers (confirmed by CBS).

8. Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.

9. Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it. Typewriters had fixed margins that “rang” and froze the carriage when typist either hit “mar rel” or manually returned carriage.

10. Date inconsistent with military style type. Date with three letters, or in form as 110471.

11. Words run over consistent with word processor.

12. Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.

13. Signature looks faked, and it cut at the very end of the last letter rather than a fade when pressure would have been released.

14. No errors and whiteout (CBS used copies)

15. No letterhead

16. Exact match for Microsoft Word Processor, version disputed, but converted to pdf matches exactly.

17. Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.

18. Overlap analysis is an exact match (see #15).

19. Absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter. (see #8)

20. 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist (actually does exist, but Mr. Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the memo was written).

21. Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. This would not be used on correspondence, but rather forms. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News)

22. It would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer (not impossible, but for Killiam, who did not type, improbable).

23. Bush's grade would be abbreviated "1/Lt" not "1st Lt"

24. Subject matter bizarre

25. Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.

26. Kerning was not available

27. In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.

28. Language not generally used by military personnel.

29. Not signed or initialed by author, typist, or clerk.

30. Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.

31. Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox).(Rather explained his document was a photocopy-brings up additional questions of how redacted black address was visible from a several generation copy)

32. The Killiam family rejected these documents as forgeries. Then where did the “personal files” come from if not the family?

33. Why no three hole punches evident at the top of the page?

34. Mr. Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birthday – in July! He would not have received correspondence.

35. Why is the redacted address of Longmont #8 visible beneath the black mark? This would have been impossible after one copy, but it would be visible if the document was scanned.

36. Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet y Marty Heldt, of leftist web site Tom Paine, as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?

37. Acronym should be OER, not ORET.

38. Last line of document 4 "Austin will not be pleased with this" is not in the same font and has been added! 39. Handwriting experts are not document experts – apples and oranges.

40. Lt Col Killian didn't type

41. The forged documents had no initials from a clerk

42. There was no CC list (needed for orders)

43. Subject line in memos was normally CAPITALIZED in the military

44. The forged documents used incorrect terminology ("physical examination" instead of "medical")

45. There was no "receipt confirmation box" (required for orders)

46. The superscript "th" in the forged documents was raised half-way above the typed line (consistent with MS Word, but inconsistent with military typewriters which kept everything in-line to avoid writing outside the pre-printed boxes of standard forms).

47. Regarding superscript - typewriter example had it underlined in the keystroke but the forged document doesn't.

48. May 4, 1972 "order" memo and the May 19, 1972 "commitment" memo typeface doesn't match the official evaluation signed 26 May 1972. Or does the TxANG have a new typewriter just for Col. Killian's memorandum


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KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bushguard; cbs; documents; forgery; killian; rather; rathergate
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To: CobaltBlue

Bingo.


201 posted on 09/11/2004 5:35:49 PM PDT by Chummy ("I Rather Know when I See BS." RepublicanAttackSquad.biz: "A vote 4 Kerry is a vote for Osama")
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To: SkyPilot

http://www.consultmoseley.com/maicentury.htm


202 posted on 09/11/2004 5:37:58 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Boundless
Wrong! Kerning is automatic. The kerning setting allows you to adjust kerning further; it is not an on/off switch. Very simply, open MS Word and type "My" and notice the bottom of the "y" nicely tucked under the "M"
203 posted on 09/11/2004 5:39:27 PM PDT by CompGeek
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To: CobaltBlue

I don't have a "th" but I have an "st".

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212788/posts?page=4#4

My point is that on a typewriter, you have a character block. Within that block you could have special, even cuatom characters, but they had to fit inside a virtual rectangle. Word processors and computer printers have no such limitation. Hence the elevated "th" in the CBS documents.


204 posted on 09/11/2004 5:48:51 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: CompGeek
Have now moved this thread to here.

If you have contributed to this thread, please go to the the above thread. Your comments and review are vital as we obviously can not afford to make any errors if this is used elsewhere.

Regards,

Dick

205 posted on 09/11/2004 6:02:38 PM PDT by dickmc
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To: Southack; commish; Buckhead; Howlin

Go to Hundred Percenter's thread. We're trying to consolidate the thread and make sure it is clean and clear. He's posting it on his website! Free Republic Political Partisan Operatives in Pajamas!!!


Can someone vouch for me and tell my husband I'm really not gambling online? He doesn't belive me.


206 posted on 09/11/2004 6:36:45 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: CobaltBlue
The kearning effect is real clear on your sample between the D and the U. In the word version (forge), the beginning of the U is in the D's space. In the sample, there is a larger space between the U and the D.

The other noticeable difference is the W. In the forged document the W stands pretty straight while the sample W leans a bit to the right.

207 posted on 09/11/2004 8:07:36 PM PDT by VRWC_minion ( I'll send email telling you where to send check.)
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To: SkyPilot

The forged CBS documents closely mesh with the otherwise seemingly bizarre Kerry "Reporting for Duty" theme to the Democrat National Convention. The documents were reported to have been seen by the DNC months ago. If you look at the Kerry convention performance in this light, the forgeries actually fit perfectly with the presumptive Nominee's stage performance: The entry across Boston Harbor Swift-Boat style, the strange salute, the entire "Reporting for Duty."
The forgeries fit very nicely with a broad based coordinated campaign over the last two months led and orchestrated by Kerry, the DNC, Dan Rather/CBS, Move-On.org, and The Boston Globe/NY Times. Rather screwed up on a vital part of this carefully crafted campaign of deceit: hence his massive denial of the obvious.

Only the Internet, beginning with Free Republic's efforts, blasted this media juggernaut in its tracks, an electronic David unexpectedly slaying the Democrat Party Mass Media Goliath.

One more very important point: John Kerry had a reputation as an mega-narcissist OCD micromanager of his campaign. In other words, he is a self-absorbed control freak. He even personally designed the paint job on his campaign jet.

Kerry's psychological pathology means that he was personally involved in the forgeries: at the very least approving their shipment to CBS.


208 posted on 09/11/2004 10:20:03 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: CobaltBlue
There may have been typewriters capable of doing that in 1972. but a small outfit in he USAFNG probably wouldn't have gotten one for the next ten years. Those typewriters would be at Group level, and Hq AF Command. I got out shortly before Viet Nam a while on bivouac got C rations
dated in 1918, it take a while to get new equipment.
209 posted on 09/23/2004 2:50:58 PM PDT by LOCHINVAR
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