Posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
THE CBS PAPERS [Jed Babbin]
I spoke to Col. Bill Campenni (USAF ret) earlier this morning. As I've written before, Campenni was a member of the President's squadron and flew with him often. Campenni told me that there are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated now -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:
1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;
2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;
3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?
4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.
5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.
If, as it appears, someone faked these papers they did a bad job of it. I can tell you that in the early to mid-1970's when I was on active duty, the active service didn't have anything fancier than the earliest models of the IBM Selectric typewriter, and many offices didn't even have those. The reserves and national guard had our cast-offs, so it's terribly unlikely they could have produced anything as fancy as these papers. (Is it just my imagination, or is Dan Rather's nose growing longer every day?)
Excellent point.
Andy Rooney did it. He's the only man in America who still has a functioning Underwood.......
I'm afraid you're right.
which means CBS intentional ignoried facts. (wonder what was in their FBI files)
What else has CBS faked? will fake?
The next fakes will be much better.
http://www.powerlineblog.com blogger..look out Drudge..
where it all began..plus mass email to the networds via FR.
You almost owed me a keyboard!!! Sipping a soda when I came across your post, instant spray resulted!
Thanks for the best laugh I've had this morning. Destined to become an instant classic?
You know that the big lie about this will be that it was the Bush people who faked the documents. Duh. Unfortunately there will be great numbers of people who will believe that.
cui bono.
Think about it. Who benefits from the allegations against Bush going down in flames? The net effect of the discovery that these documents are likely forgeries is to discredit ANY personal attack against Bush for the remainder of the election. Bush is innoculated against any more attacks of this nature. And who benefits from that? Somone who wants to run against a non-incumbent in 2008.
Keep in mind that the Clinton campaign advisors (Carville and Begala) have just "joined" the Kerry campaign, at the behest of Bubba from his hospital bed. Bubba, before he was hospitalized with chronic Big-Mac-itis, was advising Kerry he needed to "hit back hard" whenever he was attacked, and after enduring a month of attrition in the polls at the hands of the Swift Boat Vets, Kerry was more than ready to clobber Bush with whatever was handy.
And lo and behold, the phony ANG documents suddenly appear and are "provided" to Dan Rather, who like the salivating brainless moron that he is, dutifully broadcast the obviously suspect material in ominous, solemn tones.
So "who benefits"? Hillary, who will now rest easy knowing that Kerry's campaign is in tatters thanks in part to her husband's, and her husband's cronies', "advice," while Bush is innoculated against further personal attacks for the duration of the election, virtually assuring a Democrat defeat in November, thus paving the only path she has to run for the presidency with minimal interference by 2008.
Just as with the Rose Law firm billing records, these documents have Hillary's virtual fingerprints all over them.
"Matt Drudge, who crashed our server (says powerline) earlier today by linking to our first post on the 60 Minutes hoax, is now headlining: "CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED." "http://www.powerlineblog.com/
I think you are correct. A quick google shows two professor Strongs, one at UofMaine, the other at Washington and Lee university. The UofMaine professors bio shows he was Army, but the other professor Strong.........
W&L University News Home : Colonnade Features Home
Politics Professor Robert Strong and Chemistry Professor Frank Settle beam at their students' fine showing, then quickly drive the discussion toward the complexities of the radiological, biological and chemical weapons that threaten the world as never before.
Welcome to "Avoiding Armageddon: The Art and Science of Non-Proliferation," a new, fast-paced interdisciplinary course at Washington and Lee University.
Grampa Dave, that was my theory too. Remember Hillary said something unexpected would change the course of the election. My guess? This was just the first data dump; they had planned to make more of them. Unfortunately for them, now no one will ever believe anything from CBS or the DNC is real!
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What a moronic statement! How could the WH alter documents they got from CBS, when anyone can go to the CBS News web site and see the PDFs of the documents and verify that there is no difference with what the WH handed out? The Kerry camp is grasping at straws - to put it mildly. They have lost all capacity to reason as they panic over how to respond to this farce.
As an aside, if you watch the video about the documents on the CBS News web site, you can also see that the documents they show in the video are an exact match to the PDF files.
I heard Greg Kelly on Fox News awhile ago say that the physical exam date given doesn't jive with military standards. He said that President Bush was accused of refusing to take a physical in May. However, military physicals fall on the persons birthdate. It should have been requested in July.
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and Micheal Moore will feature them as authentic in his next documentary without question.
AND I can hear Hitlery cackling in delight, stirring her cauldron and getting her broom ready for take-off!!! BTW --has anyone heard from her heinous lately??
If they were more damaging, then they would certainly be scrutinized. CBS/Kerry-Edwards'04 underestimated the reaction of the VRWC.
Vietnam service is the only thing that Kerry has to run on. He has to be able to claim moral superiority over Bush on this issue, or he has no chance.
"How large is Rather's staff?"
About an inch and a half, according to an anonymous source.
The word "interdisciplinary" tells you all you need to know. It is an academic code word for "didactic and left-wing".
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