Posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
THE CBS PAPERS [Jed Babbin]
I spoke to Col. Bill Campenni (USAF ret) earlier this morning. As I've written before, Campenni was a member of the President's squadron and flew with him often. Campenni told me that there are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated now -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:
1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;
2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;
3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?
4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.
5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.
If, as it appears, someone faked these papers they did a bad job of it. I can tell you that in the early to mid-1970's when I was on active duty, the active service didn't have anything fancier than the earliest models of the IBM Selectric typewriter, and many offices didn't even have those. The reserves and national guard had our cast-offs, so it's terribly unlikely they could have produced anything as fancy as these papers. (Is it just my imagination, or is Dan Rather's nose growing longer every day?)
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"Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them)."
This is the REAL smoking gun! As I have stated in other posts, just pull out your "old" military records and check them against these frauds! It is the best, and easiest way to verify authenticity.
I served one year in ANG and 9 years in USAF. I have all of my orders. They have been useful throughout the years.
What other CBS smears include forged documents?
60 Minutes Spokesperson: Kelli Edwards 212-975-6795
How large is Rather's staff?
Seems kinda personal doesn't it?
1) Just who bought Craig Livingstone a copier and WP program last week?
2) Who hird Craig Livingstone (again)?
I have no doubt the memos are fake. But if someone from the Kerry campaign was going to leak fake memos, then why aren't the memos more damaging to GW? The damage isn't from the the memo's, but from the Dem shills in the MSM rehashing old stuff, while ignoring the 260 something Swiftboat Vets.
For documents that were to be photographed ... and then to plate/print... you used a typewriter with a limited variety of 'spaced-fonts'. 'Hot-type'(galley type) was still being used for legal documents back then.(1971-1973)
Photo-type was used exclusively for upscale catalogs, brochures, slides and overhead presentations.
That the National Guard in 1972-73 would use photo-type(the only way to get real superscript) in a series of 'memo's' is a scam of monumental proportions!
4 May 72 order - Military flight physicals are based on birth month, and good to the end of the month. Bush would not have been ordered and failed to perform letter issued before flt phy was due in July.
Probably about the same as going into a secure room and stuffing classified documents down your socks and stealing them.....nada; zip; nary a nary.
Oh, to be a fly on the wall in camp Kerry....................
Kilian's son said he seriously doubts that his father would have written those memo's. I heard this on the radio while driving...sorry I have no details but maybe someone else does.
"then why aren't the memos more damaging to GW?"
I believe this was the first of a flurry of forged/created documents to be released before November. The FR threw a tie across the tracks. Good job, but stay alert, they will get more vicious as time goes on!
More info......it just keeps coming! LOL
Maybe the FBI should investigate but we don' need no steenkin' congressional investigation! ;-)
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