60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World

various FR links | 09-10-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

[Cicero]

Thanks for your always great work. I've saved this archive to my computer, and I don't do that very often.

We owe a tremendous vote of thanks to Howlin for raising the issue and to TankerKC for coming up with the first break in the case.

Not to mention a couple of dozen other Freepers who contributed significant points to the discussion. At this point I'm not sure that a forensic investigation could turn up much that Freepers haven't already posted.

Great job, all.

[Rightly Biased]

I am so glad algore invented the internet

actually I just wanted to be able to find this later on today.

[RightField]

Thank you for putting all this in one place.

[Thommas]

Ra^thergate!

Hahahaha..works for me.

[Diamond]

...we are cruising down the information superhighway with the afterburners lit and the supercharger spooled up, and they are still cracking the whip over Ole Dobbin's backside, trying to get the family buckboard up to speed...

All the while complaining about the outsourcing of buckboard jobs overseas.

Cordially,

[weegee]

To hear the leftist kooks at DU spin it, the documents are genuine unless Karl Rove had them faked.

Registered, you'd better be on the watch for people blaming this on you. < /sarcasm >

[hosepipe]

[ The Shot Heard Round the World ]

More likely a fart and everybody left the room... except the republicans going Ewwwwwe..

[P-Marlowe]

Thanks Howlin. The great thing is that there were still 17 seconds left on that 60 minutes watch before the damn thing blew up.

Are there any freepers out there who could create a gif of the 60 minutes watch ticking away until 8:59:43 and then have it blow up?

CBS news dies on September 8, 2004 at 8:59:43 PDT.

Thanks to all you skeptical freepers. FREEPERS RULE THE WORLD!

[WashingtonSource]

Got it!

Ra^ththergate!</font size=6>

[WashingtonSource]

I guess I didn't get it. Ha!

Here I go. TAKE TWO.

Ra^thergate!

[Howlin]

Here is the "corrected" official timeline, at least according to me.......LOL.

There is so much information OUT THERE, I decided to put up the OFFICIAL version, rather than let bloggers misconstrue what actually happened.

This is the OFFICIAL timeline:

I put this thread up for the 60 Minutes show.

Live Thread: Ben Barnes and CBS Attempt Another Bush Smear (60 Minutes) at 7:39:18 PM EDT.

At 8:19:00 PM EDT TankerKC posted this:

To: Howlin

WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

They are not in the style that we used when I came in to the USAF. They looked like the style and format we started using about 12 years ago (1992). Our signature blocks were left justified, now they are rigth of center...like the ones they just showed.

Can we get a copy of those memos?

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)

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To: Howlin

Every damned "witness" is now dead. I want to see an analysis of those new papers. They are all type written so it should be possible to see if it was written on a Government Issue typewriter of that era. This stinks like week old fish.

131 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:06 PM EDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")

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To: cyncooper; TomGuy; hole_n_one

Can some of you guys in the later time zones WATCH this interview and get a GOOD LOOK at those docuemtns.....how they were typed, where the signature was.....that kind of thing?

A screen grab would be great!

Who else does screen captures?

197 posted on 09/08/2004 8:44:13 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)

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That thread continued along for a bit with people commenting on the documents and the show.

Then CBS put the documents up on their web site:

To: TC Rider; Mo1; All; cyncooper

HERE THEY ARE:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

Scroll down on the left!!!!!!

363 posted on 09/08/2004 10:38:38 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)

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Then Pikamax put up this thread:

Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard

To which Buckhead posted the shot heard round the world:

To: Howlin

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead

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After all the questions that arose from everybody on the forum, I put this thread up:

THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating

As Buckhead said on another thread, many, many Freepers were involved.

This is the OFFICIAL timeline:

[TankerKC]

WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

[Texasforever]

Every damned "witness" is now dead. I want to see an analysis of those new papers. They are all type written so it should be possible to see if it was written on a Government Issue typewriter of that era. This stinks like week old fish.

[nutmeg]

See post 92 for Howlin's official timeline of events.

[nutmeg]

See post 92 for Howlin's official timeline of events.

[nutmeg]

See post 92 for Howlin's official timeline of events.

[jimbo123]

Rush also mentioned the relationship between Dan Rather's daughter Robin and Ben Barnes (interviewed by Rather on 60 Minutes) and their Demoncrat fundraising activities in Austin, Texas.


Robin Rather


Ben Barnes

Was Robin Rather and/or Ben Barnes the source of the forged documents?

[nutmeg]

See post 92 for Howlin's official timeline of events.

[N. Theknow]

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