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Guard memos on Bush fake, says squadron leader's son (new information about the signature)
Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:14:54 PM PDT by ambrose

Sept. 9, 2004, 11:40PM

Guard memos on Bush fake, says squadron leader's son

By MIKE GLENN

Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

The son of President Bush's former squadron commander is disputing the authenticity of memos allegedly written by his father that are critical of Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard.

The purported 30-year-old documents were shown Wednesday on the CBS News program 60 Minutes. The show reported that the documents came from the personal files of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, Bush's commander in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron at the former Ellington Air Force Base, now Ellington Field.

Houston businessman Gary Killian said Thursday that he doesn't believe the newly discovered documents are legitimate.

Killian said his father, who died in 1984, could barely type and usually assigned typing duties to a secretary.

"It would have been against his own self-interest to keep a memo like that on file," Killian said. "It was just not in his nature to do that."

Killian said the memos appear to be faked. In one of them, he said, his father's first name is used in the signature.

"I don't recall him ever signing with his first name," the son said.

Killian said his father did not maintain an office at home and had no secret file there where such documents would have been stored.

According to the Associated Press, the White House distributed the four memos dated from 1972 and 1973 after obtaining them from CBS News. The White House did not question their accuracy.

Killian said his father "thought well" of Bush's abilities as an Air National Guard pilot assigned to fly the F-102.

mike.glenn@chron.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; forgery; johnforgeskerry; killian; seebsnews; tang
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Killian said the memos appear to be faked. In one of them, he said, his father's first name is used in the signature.

"I don't recall him ever signing with his first name," the son said.

AHH HAA!!!! The See Bull $#!+ saga continues ping. Don't know if any of you have seen this, but this is even more fuel on the fire.

41 posted on 09/10/2004 5:23:42 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Thanks Arrowhead! I have been following all of your pings!


42 posted on 09/10/2004 5:57:14 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (It's not Bush's fault... it's the media's fault!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I am trying to find one thread I saw earlier today and post the link to the Canteen. There must be 50 or 60 threads about the forged documents on FR today. Bet the DUmmy crowd is on suicide watch.


43 posted on 09/10/2004 6:03:29 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I am trying to find one thread I saw earlier today and post the link to the Canteen. There must be 50 or 60 threads about the forged documents on FR today. Bet the DUmmy crowd is on suicide watch.


44 posted on 09/10/2004 6:13:36 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I took a sneak peak "over there" at DU ,and saw basically these statements:

"Well, so the papers are forged. Who cares as long as 1/2 million people believe them.. then we still win..."

Disgusting huh?

45 posted on 09/10/2004 6:40:17 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (It's not Bush's fault... it's the media's fault!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
"Well, so the papers are forged. Who cares as long as 1/2 million people believe them.. then we still win..."

Disgusting huh?

I feel the DUmmies and the RATs are largely unaware of the power of the Internet and radio talk shows. Take a look at all the media's path during this "crisis". dan blather "shell shocked" that the docs were forged, some of the media still running the "Bush was AWOL" stories, etc.

The alphabet networks are wondering why Fox has overtaken them? Give me a break. Lies are their downfall. Now, they will have to tell more lies to cover the previous lies. Before long, they will forget what the original lie was, and blurt out something that no one believes.

46 posted on 09/10/2004 6:46:58 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yes,that is the issue with pathological liars.. they always get caught.. eventually.


47 posted on 09/10/2004 6:51:42 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (It's not Bush's fault... it's the media's fault!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Do Military Officers have private files with official personnel communications in them? I highly doubt it.

What are freeper perceptions on how this effects the credibility of the SBVT? Could this have been done purposely to make all the talk about military records seem fraudulent?
48 posted on 09/10/2004 6:57:55 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I don't recall the IBM Selectric using Times New Roman font.

It's been awhile since I've typed on one, but I recall that you could get different balls -- a serif ball (which was more like a Courier font), a sans serif ball, and a script ball. By the 1980s you could get special balls, like one with an enlarged "speech" font. (I just realized that that's more balls than you can find at CBS.) ;)

Typewriters didn't auto-center until they came out with those with some "memory."


49 posted on 09/10/2004 10:59:54 AM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: Fawnn
I don't recall the IBM Selectric using Times New Roman font.

You are correct. I think there were only 10 pitch pica and 12 pitch elite (may be reversed). We still have some of the later IBM Selectrics here, and they do not have Times New Roman font. None had auto center or superscript. I remember re-typing many memos because the headings were not centered.

50 posted on 09/10/2004 11:05:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Fawnn

51 posted on 09/10/2004 11:06:56 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Chieftain; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Arrowhead1952

Ping to a great graphic! LOL


52 posted on 09/10/2004 11:13:02 AM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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Why not just do a forensics test on these documents, and get an estimate of the age of the ink and paper?


53 posted on 09/10/2004 11:13:07 AM PDT by Legion04
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To: Fawnn; Registered; OXENinFLA
The cartoon is Registered's. I get credit for the RatherGATE at the bottom, though! (Assist to OXENinFLA).
54 posted on 09/10/2004 11:15:35 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: MamaLucci

Kerry and CBS figure some mud will stick even if proven false. As his numbers tank, he's decided to attack! I see Carville and Sasso behind this. Their fingerprints are all over it.


55 posted on 09/10/2004 11:17:42 AM PDT by hershey
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To: ambrose
According to the Associated Press, the White House distributed the four memos dated from 1972 and 1973 after obtaining them from CBS News.

What the heck does this mean? AP keeps humping this story. The White House did NOT distribute these memos. They were sent over to the WH as a courtesy by CBS - SOP - and the White House made no comment, and sent them back.

AP are proven liars. Proved right here on FR, @9/3/04 when they completely FABRICATED the story of the boos at the Bush Rally in Wisconsin. LIARS
56 posted on 09/10/2004 11:24:37 AM PDT by baseballmom (You Know Where I Stand - GW Bush - 9/2/04 We're standing with you, Mr. President)
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To: Agrarian

When I came into the AF in 1975...the best typists...worked at wing headquarters and were highly valued. If you could 40 words a minute with almost errors...you were highly sought.

How many Commanders in 1975 could type 40 words a minute? In the entire Air Force...including Guard and Reserve...less than 20...and none...repeat...none...were pilots (trust me...I worked around these guys and can attest to their true lack of admin skills). The only Commanders who could type...were English majors or did staff work at the Pentagon.


57 posted on 09/10/2004 11:26:21 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Mike Fieschko

LOL There was no white-out then either.


58 posted on 09/10/2004 11:26:45 AM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Fawnn

I used a memory typewriter in the late 70's. I don't know how much earlier they were out than that. But I kind of doubt that the military had state-of-the-art office equipment.


59 posted on 09/10/2004 11:29:13 AM PDT by twigs
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60 posted on 09/10/2004 11:30:45 AM PDT by devolve ( -- John"V"Kerry scams Boston Irish voters! - http://pro.lookingat.us/FakeIrish.html --)
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