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But Why? (list of candidates who forged the CBS document)
Pacetown ^ | 9/9/04 | Jeremy Chrysler

Posted on 09/09/2004 10:04:29 PM PDT by Cableguy

I've been asking myself this question since I started blogging on the seemingly forged 60 minutes documents on Thursday morning.

Why someone would attempt to bring attention to Bush's service record at this point of the game? That's the easy question.

But why create a forgery (and let's assume that's what they are) if it's going to be such a bad one. As I see it there are a number of answers to that question.

1. Karl Rove. I don't really believe this, but it's the easy answer for people who can't come to terms with the possibility of liberal muckraking. As far as I can tell, the first time Rove's name was mentioned was in pacetown's comments: "My theory? Karl Rove is having a seriously fun time with the mainstream media. He certainly had some fun creating these documents and having them leaked to CBS. LOL, Karl, LOL!" Even as it seems unrealistic, Bush will win huge PR points when the non-CBS networks pounce on the wounded, 60-legged beast and reveal the letters as frauds.

2. The Forgers were just that lazy: This is a fairly reasonable possibility, but they went to a lot of trouble to make the documents look old and slipstream truth with fiction in such a way that the documents would be believable. As many suggest, there are several stylistic features of the documents (use of CYA, improper abbreviation, shadowy reference to the people "upstairs" for whose benefit this document would have been written) that don't really jive with this theory.

3. The Forgers started out Joking and got in over their heads: Until CBS reveals the source of these documents, we won't know if this is true, but it seems to be to be a certain possibility. Imagine this scenario: a couple of Kerry supporters, aware of questions surrounding Bush's National Guard service, string together a couple of documents which fill in the holes...they print them, refine them a bit, print them again, and 'age' them a little bit before sharing them, offline, with friends. The question is how CBS would be connected with such a scenario. This is a question that I can't answer.

4. CBS is intentionally deceitful: This explanation won't work either, because the forgeries aren't good enough. Were CBS somehow wholly responsible for this farce, they would have done a better job creating forgeries. Heck, I would have done a better job creating forgeries.

5. CBS is just that Lazy: It wouldn't be anything new. They screwed up here, or at least misrepresented. Now, they insist that they stand by their 'sources' whoever they are. CBS execs are likely wringing their hands trying to figure out how to get out of this, because experts are overwhelmingly rejecting their claims. Are they covering up laziness or deceit? In either case, this is a big black eye, and considering that's their logo, that's a big problem. To me, it's most likely the last option. CBS likely got so excited about some information, that was perhaps funneled through a credible source through some garden-variety forger. This solution doesn't particularly satisfy me, but neither does anyone else. If any pacetown readers have any thoughts, please do not hesitate to leave them here for us. We can only speculate until CBS decides to reveal their information. The evidence against them is mounting, and they may not have any room to retreat by tomorrow evening. They may be holding out, hoping that September 11th coverage requirements will give them a free-pass. Hopefully we'll know, sooner rather than later.

UPDATE: According to a contact of Allahpundit, the NY Sun and Post may be picking up on this tomorrow, perhaps even on the front page. Keep your eyes open.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush; cbs; killian; tang
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I would like to think #1 is the answer.
1 posted on 09/09/2004 10:04:29 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy
" CBS is just that Lazy: It wouldn't be anything new. They screwed up here, or at least misrepresented."

Or they are just that blinded with ambition for their Party.

2 posted on 09/09/2004 10:09:42 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: Cableguy

Would you also like to believe the moon landing was fabricated on a Hollywood soundstage?

Or that the Mossad carried out the 9/11 attacks?


3 posted on 09/09/2004 10:10:24 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Cableguy
I smell a 'Rat. And I bet See BS knows just who the rat is. Typical of how the left operates. They think we're stupid.
4 posted on 09/09/2004 10:10:38 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: Cableguy

Not lazy. Desperate.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 10:12:21 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: Cableguy

WashPost online has a story on the forgery. They got their own experts, who reached the same conclusions we all did. NyTimes online last I checked has demoted the story off the front page but hasn't yet run the forgery story. The WashPost story forces their hand, but probably too late to make tomorrow's print edition. That means the NYPost can eat their lunch in the morning. So sweet.


6 posted on 09/09/2004 10:14:39 PM PDT by maro (T)
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To: Cableguy
Washington Post, page A01.
7 posted on 09/09/2004 10:15:15 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: Cableguy
Some 'splainin goin' on over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211690/posts

9 posted on 09/09/2004 10:17:15 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Cableguy

How about Terry McAuliffe? He's sleazy enough and incompetent enough.


10 posted on 09/09/2004 10:17:42 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Cableguy
This was going to be a late October surprise. They were going to release these forged documents on the weekend before the election, In this manner the Republicans wouldn't have time to respond. However, Kerry's numbers were so low, they panicked and release earlier. My bet is these forgeries are from a Kerry operative.
11 posted on 09/09/2004 10:19:38 PM PDT by avant_garde
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To: Cableguy
I really doubt it is a "name" in either party. More likely somebody fairly far down on the left wing totem pole a little too desperate for a Kerry win.
12 posted on 09/09/2004 10:20:02 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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I say CBS allowed themselves to be used and didn't see it coming due to their hatred of the the right in general and Bush in particular.


13 posted on 09/09/2004 10:20:09 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: umgud
I say CBS allowed themselves to be used and didn't see it coming due to their hatred of the the right in general and Bush in particular.

Ditto

14 posted on 09/09/2004 10:21:24 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Cableguy
But why create a forgery (and let's assume that's what they are) if it's going to be such a bad one.

The answer to this is why the world's stupidest crooks video and stupid crook true stories are so popular.

Most people who try to do dishonest things, don't really understand what they are doing.

The CIA when it diseminates "mis-information" goes to great length to make sure no details are left uncovered. To do that they have a lot of very smart people examine every detail and discuss this. For a common criminal activity like a forgery or fake story, getting this many people involved would ultimate lead to security (newspaper) leaks and devistating negative results.

This is why the person who did this forgery worked on it alone or only with one or two others and that wasn't enough smart people to spot all the details.

15 posted on 09/09/2004 10:21:30 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Thane_Banquo
Would you also like to believe the moon landing was fabricated on a Hollywood soundstage?

Yes, I would. Take a look at this photo NASA doesn't want you to see:

The boys apparently got carried away after a long day of filming the "moon" landing.

16 posted on 09/09/2004 10:21:49 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: Cableguy
Who hired Craig Livingstone?

Leni

17 posted on 09/09/2004 10:22:02 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers....We Have a Great State Forum. Click the Flag on your Profile Page to Get to It)
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To: Cableguy

If Karl Rove is that smart and tricky, I'm sure glad he's on our side.


18 posted on 09/09/2004 10:22:16 PM PDT by jbarkley
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To: Cableguy
The most common rumor I am hearing is that these were found by the Kerry Camp and passed to Kerry and then to CBS.

This means that the Kerry Camp were the ones that are the source of these documents. No wonder they don't want to reveal the source.

This is a triple black eye. CBS.....Kerry......DNC Bamm Bamm Bamm and finally, here comes Hannity with a sucker punch.
19 posted on 09/09/2004 10:23:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: umgud
I say CBS allowed themselves to be used and didn't see it coming due to their hatred of the the right in general and Bush in particular.

Yup.

What did Dan Rather know and when did he know it?
20 posted on 09/09/2004 10:26:49 PM PDT by microgood
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