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False Documentation? Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABC News ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:34 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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George W. Bush sits in an F102 fighter jet while serving in the Texas Air National Guard in this undated photo. President Bush was in the National Guard from 1968-1973.
Austin American Statesman/AP Photo

False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABCNEWS.com

Sept. 9, 2004— Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter. The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

   The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
   The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
   The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
   The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
   The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; bushmemos; camejo; cbias; cbs; cheney; danblather; danny; documentforgerygate; dubya; edwards; election; forgeries; forgery; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; seebsnews; tang
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To: dougd

Thanks. But the question here was whether or not all 4 of the CBS documents were first discovered and released by CBS. I say they were. :) Appreciate your input!


121 posted on 09/09/2004 11:13:01 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA

I am getting very confused about what the heck you are talking about.


122 posted on 09/09/2004 11:17:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: MistyCA

BTW, 31 and 33 are the pages in question.....as I posted earlier in the thread.


123 posted on 09/09/2004 11:18:07 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: MHGinTN
What's worse? The forgery or the fact that Dan Rather knowingly had Kerry's National Co-Chair on his show to bring forth the documents? Can you imagine if Marc Racicot had come forth with damaging documents involving himself, about KERRY!?
124 posted on 09/09/2004 11:40:21 PM PDT by hawaiian
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To: Shermy
fear that the Feds are going to get involved. Falsifying documents is big, I would guess.

Not so fast. Treason is big, too, and EFnK [among others] is still a free man.

125 posted on 09/09/2004 11:50:39 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: DouglasKC

"Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th.""

Ouch, that must have hurt Carville and Co.!


126 posted on 09/10/2004 12:07:20 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: tomahawk

Man, this story has everything!
Computers vs typewriters!
Post/ABC vs CBS/NYT!
And I don't understand any of it
LOL!


127 posted on 09/10/2004 12:09:30 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: rocklobster11

The th is underlined. Nonunderlined th not available is my understanding.


128 posted on 09/10/2004 12:13:08 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: hispanarepublicana

It is amazing how much digging the MSM has done on Bush but can't seem to do any on Kerry
Also, lets see if O'Reilly gets on the story or gives it the old 'they all do it so it really doesn't matter' brushoff.


129 posted on 09/10/2004 12:21:42 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: hispanarepublicana

Okay, that's a kill shot on the memos...


130 posted on 09/10/2004 12:23:35 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Actually, though admittedly it's hard to tell, ABC is more balanced than CNN, NBC and CBS. WaPo is to the right of NYT as well. I'm just waiting for those guys to sit up and take notice.

Who am I kidding? We know they know. They are killing themselves trying to think up a way to run with this while still make Kerry come off looking good.

They also know any October Surprise they had planned is now worthless. Every future smear attempt against Bush is now automatically suspect.


131 posted on 09/10/2004 12:24:27 AM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: LikeLight
Team Kerry gave the docs to Dan. Where they got them, no one knows....some of the CBS staff are (of course) blaming Karl Rove, Evil Genius®.
132 posted on 09/10/2004 12:31:25 AM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Thanks. Maybe we are talking about different things. Sorry to cause any confusion.


133 posted on 09/10/2004 12:42:19 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: tomahawk

Harkin won't miss beat, will not be embarrassed, will never apologize, may continue using the material as a basis for attacks..That's how I size up Harkin.


134 posted on 09/10/2004 1:27:24 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Just caught HARDBALL on AFN. He seems to be a lot more subdued when interviewing Vietnam era POWS. I think the MSM is seeing the Kerry campaign implode and are scurrying like rats from a sinking ship.


135 posted on 09/10/2004 1:31:16 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: MEG33

You are a nightowl.....

I am up way past my bedtime...

but it was worth it.....


DemonicRats will be working all night getting their next document ready....


136 posted on 09/10/2004 1:54:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: lilylangtree

"We the People demand an apology."

I think we the people should demand some resignations, including that of Rather-Blather.


137 posted on 09/10/2004 2:02:00 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am a night owl..I woke up and here I am again...I am fascinated...not so much that someone would create fraudulent documents but that no one caught the fraud...or didn't care...

Just throw it out there and some people will never learn, believe these are forgeries? Could that be the thinking?...I am naive enough to think there should be a lot of fact checking before publishing this kind of information...

Perhaps some one is thinking it might get a few thousand less votes for Bush here and there by people who don't keep up.

CeeBS is not looking good!


138 posted on 09/10/2004 2:19:48 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: MEG33
Check the LA Times, they are behind too, have the story that the documents have been challenged but no mention of the memo in 73 referencing the general pressuring subordinate had retired in 72.

Guard Memos Fuel Another Vietnam-Era Battle

139 posted on 09/10/2004 2:27:07 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: RetSignman
Check out FReeper Sleuth thinks John Kerry's DD214s also FAKE?
140 posted on 09/10/2004 5:00:17 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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