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Dueling rallies: Pro-, anti-war crowds to gather at same time
Indy Star | 09/09/2004 | Fred Kelly

Posted on 09/09/2004 8:29:58 AM PDT by Impeach98

Dueling rallies planned on Circle
Pro-, anti-war crowds to gather at same time

By Fred Kelly
E-Mail fred.kelly@indystar.com September 9, 2004

Two demonstrations Saturday -- one rallying support for the war in Iraq, the other protesting it -- will turn the Circle into a symbol of the nation's divisions.

Hundreds of people are expected to gather at 11 a.m. on the south side of the Circle in Downtown Indianapolis for a rally sponsored by Move America Forward. The California group bills the event as a memorial on the third anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and a rally for troops fighting terrorism abroad.

As the rally ends about 1 p.m., a group of anti-war demonstrators plans a news conference to discuss an exhibit called "Eyes Wide Open" -- more than 1,000 pairs of Army boots with the names of troops who have died in the war in Iraq, placed in rows on the north side of the Circle.

Authorities are prepared to deal with any clashes between the two groups, said Steve Campbell, a spokesman for Mayor Bart Peterson.

Politicians, firefighters and military officials are expected to attend the Move America Forward rally, which will have the theme "Believe in Freedom."

Organizers say they are staging the event to counter media and politicians who "bombard us with negative news about the war" while ignoring positive developments, said Jackie Loughman, chairwoman of the Indiana chapter of Move America Forward.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 3rdanniversary; indiana; iraq; moveamericaforward; rally; war
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1 posted on 09/09/2004 8:29:59 AM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

As the rally ends about 1 p.m., a group of anti-war demonstrators plans a news conference to discuss an exhibit called "Eyes Wide Open" -- more than 1,000 pairs of Army
boots with the names of troops who have died in the war in Iraq, placed in rows on the north side of the Circle.

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#1Battle of Gettysburg
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2 posted on 09/09/2004 8:39:20 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: mrsmel; jennyjenny; PROUDAMREP; spookycc; MasonGal; tempe; joebuck; Rush Reagan

C'mon Indiana Freepers -- we can't let the anti-war crowd outnumber us!!


3 posted on 09/09/2004 8:40:29 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: gymbeau

Rally Ping


4 posted on 09/09/2004 8:43:09 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: Ignatz; katz; The Coopster; oblomov; Rabid Dog; CatholicEagle; Elsie; hoosierboy; Battle Axe

You've got to come down to Monument Circle on Saturday and bring your friends and family -- our soldiers need you.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 8:46:45 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: evilsmoker
You guys better get enough people out there to outnumber the Bash America crowd.

Why don't these people have 1,000 empty children's sneakers to commemorate the deaths of innocent children around the world from terrorism (whether in New York, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere)?

Oh yeah, that's right - because instead of demonstrating against terrorism they demonstrate against the forces that fight for FREEDOM!

6 posted on 09/09/2004 8:50:13 AM PDT by Impeach98
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To: evilsmoker

Thanks! I'm planning to be there.
Hope to see you then!
Too bad we don't have fifty million sandals or something to represent the people freed by the U.S.' fine troops.

Cheers
Jim


7 posted on 09/09/2004 8:52:38 AM PDT by gymbeau (Alberta. Past time to become the 51st State!)
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To: Impeach98

I heard the anti-war crowd said they will have a memorial to Iraqis who died in the war. I assume that includes Uday and Qusay?


8 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:43 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: evilsmoker

I agree, but I'm a Mississippi FReeper:)


9 posted on 09/09/2004 9:07:57 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: mrsmel

It's worth the drive :) LOL!


10 posted on 09/09/2004 9:14:54 AM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

If I could I would love to:),but isn't that jackass going to be in N'Awlins soon? I could go there if a group was going. (WAAAYYY too dangerous to do by myself in that city).


11 posted on 09/09/2004 9:33:39 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: evilsmoker

I plan on being there.


12 posted on 09/09/2004 9:45:03 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Impeach98
Authorities are prepared to deal with any clashes between the two groups

Would I be labeled as a cynic if I expect that all of the violence will come from the "pacifists"?

13 posted on 09/09/2004 10:02:48 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (cong rec 27.3.86 jk speech doubleplusungood malreported cambodia rectify)
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To: jennyjenny

Hopefully the article will help us get more people out there. My worry is, it'll help the bad guys too.


14 posted on 09/09/2004 10:24:06 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: KarlInOhio

I have a sneaky suspicion the cops aren't worried about our side.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 10:25:14 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: Impeach98

JOHN KERRY'S "TWO AMERICAS":
Those who eat at Wendy's vs. those who only go to Wendy's for photo ops


16 posted on 09/09/2004 10:44:03 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: evilsmoker

SUGGESTION: Co-opt their 'boots' photo-op by using it as the focus for a group prayer by OUR GUYS. The message: let not their sacrifice be in vain. They died for a noble cause: freedom for Iraq and safety for America. We honor them and those still 'over there' by rededicating ourselves to support of their mission.

Unsolicited advice, worth every penny...


17 posted on 09/09/2004 11:11:08 AM PDT by Shazolene
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To: Shazolene

Sounds like a great idea -- and you get to lead the prayer!


18 posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:43 AM PDT by evilsmoker
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To: ppaul

"Those who eat at Wendy's vs. those who only go to Wendy's for photo ops"


LOL Noticed John Kerry's "Two America's" is an old old line that he used in his early 70's book, the New Soldiers.
I guess the two America's are the Haves and the Have not's and their photo ops says .. "hey, We can pretend to be you little people too", aren't we wonderful.


19 posted on 09/09/2004 12:48:55 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: All
Hey, if anyone is going to the rally from northern Indiana, I'd love to have company for the drive. Am leaving Fort Wayne @ 8am or so. I will supply (POS) car, gas and pop. FREEPmail me or post here to me if you're interested! Thanks!

spook

20 posted on 09/09/2004 2:52:13 PM PDT by spookycc (Never Forgive! Never Forget!)
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