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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]
CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; cbs; ccrm; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; forgery; fraud; gwb; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; pilot; seebsnews; texas
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To: bondjamesbond

I used a Selectric Composer in 1975 working for the City of Anchorage. It did do proportional spacing and superscripting but was hugely expensive. Also, it was used in conjunction with an MTST -- about the size of a VW Bug. Did the inputting on the MTST tapes, then schlepped the tapes to the Composer. Doubt that the military had these two monster machines in every office.


921 posted on 09/10/2004 7:14:27 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: jwfiv

Check this out


922 posted on 09/10/2004 8:10:21 AM PDT by Serb5150 (Trust me, I know what I'm doing.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

OMG. Your're the only other person I've seen so far that used one of these. I used an MT/ST in 1972-3 at Ft. Monmouth NJ (Army). Those were indeed monstrous, state-of-the-art, hugely expensive, and rare. I didn't know it did proportional spacing, though. Mine didn't.


923 posted on 09/10/2004 8:11:14 AM PDT by JATO (Anti nuclear power is the same as Pro-terrorist, Pro Big-Oil.)
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To: TomGuy

http://www.mytypewriter.com/item.jhtml;$sessionid$3GQXJHQAAAOUJTZENUFJPQWPERWRJPX0?UCIDs=467301%7C1272517&PRID=1364643


924 posted on 09/10/2004 8:51:53 AM PDT by mad puppy
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To: MistyCA

Republican running for office-have no skeletons in your closet-no problem-the Democrats and their Media will create one for you.

Democrat caught in a lie-no problem-just tell a bigger lie.


925 posted on 09/10/2004 10:04:04 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (DemocRATS promise-RepubliCANS deliver-DemocRATS claim the credit.)
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To: TastyManatees

No skeletons in your closet? No problem. Dan Rather will provide one for you.


926 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:13 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (DemocRATS promise-RepubliCANS deliver-DemocRATS claim the credit.)
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To: MistyCA

You deserve an Honorable Mention for sure.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212299/posts


927 posted on 09/10/2004 11:03:26 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: TastyManatees

BTTT


928 posted on 09/10/2004 11:23:28 AM PDT by Credo
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To: Colosis

Is this one of those threads that will go on and on?

Check this one out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1163131/posts


929 posted on 09/10/2004 11:29:53 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Autumn (Fall) prediction: Mayo to beat Kerry, and Bush to beat Kerry.)
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To: TastyManatees

I really can't wait to see what Ann Coulter does with this story rofl.


930 posted on 09/10/2004 11:32:08 AM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

LOL! Thanks for the good laugh, although I know it is too close to the truth to allow that laugh to be sustained. Those people are just disgusting.


931 posted on 09/10/2004 1:18:05 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Orange1998

Gosh. I am blushing! :) Thanks. :)


932 posted on 09/10/2004 1:21:11 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA

You're welcome.


933 posted on 09/10/2004 2:28:10 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (DemocRATS promise-RepubliCANS deliver-DemocRATS claim the credit.)
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To: pabianice
..or that Kerry is actually a Pod Person here to lead the invasion of Earth.

That wasn't from a memo. That was from a campaign speech in '74. But he later said that in no way was he a Pod Person in a '92 press release so of course we must trust him on that.

934 posted on 09/10/2004 6:31:43 PM PDT by WileyC
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To: silverleaf
Poor Colonel Killian is dead and I believe in my heart something is very wrong here with someone claiming to be releasing his "personal papers". Another vet, voiceless in death, turned into a prop for John Kerry's political ambition?

This is it exactly.

Kerry 'spoke for' all vietnam vets when he called them murderous rapists and war criminals. Why would he balk at besmirching the reputation of one more military man?

935 posted on 09/10/2004 6:46:53 PM PDT by WileyC
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To: mad puppy

Selectric was the best typewriter there ever was...well, at least in MY "ever"!


936 posted on 09/10/2004 6:51:21 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: WileyC

Yep, just one more attack on his "enemy."


937 posted on 09/10/2004 6:52:26 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: coconutt2000
Perfect! The discharge request proves a point I made on another thread which I've not seen anyone else bring up: we've heard about the kerning and the superscripts from others. My point is about the lack of superscripts: the places where an ordinal appears in the CBS documents with the suffix not superscripted are of one of two types, and two types only: either there is a space between the numerals and the suffix (e.g. 147 th) or the last numeral is a 1, acutally a lower case L.

MS Word will not auto superscript if there is a space between the numeral and the suffix, nor if the last 'numeral' is really a lower case L.

Now look at the discharge papers: 147th no space. A typist trained in the 1970's or before (I'm one, having taken typing in HS right about the time the forgeries purport to have been made, and from an old typing teacher to boot) would not have put a space in between the numerals and the suffix. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. . .147th, not 1 st, 2 nd, 3 rd . . .147 th. (I even had trouble typing that, putting the spaces in required suppressing an automatic reflex.)

The forger in fact made three glaring mistakes: putting in the extra space, forgetting to put it in, resulting in the superscripts, and typing a one instead of a lower case L in the one place where 111th occurs with a superscript.

I think this is the first time I've ever been happy that MS Word has idiotic defaults which are almost impossible to change since the change buttons are buried so deep in the menus. (Gloat, gloat.)

938 posted on 09/10/2004 8:18:19 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: TastyManatees
Add one more evidence of forgery, from the third supposed memo, which speaks of "Vietnam pilots that have rotated."

The "that" in this construction is a fairly recent adoption -- say, the last ten years. In 1972, the writer would have said, ..."who" have rotated.

For me, the newer usage just jumps off the page. "That" aways sounds wrong to me because I grew up before we abandoned who and whom. (I suspect that public school teachers, themselves ill-educated, couldn't get the who/whom rule right -- so they gave up and started teaching "that" instead.)

939 posted on 09/10/2004 9:48:11 PM PDT by T'wit (Believing in socialism is like believing your car will run on water if you just keep trying.)
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To: T'wit
(I suspect that public school teachers, themselves ill-educated, couldn't get the who/whom rule right -- so they gave up and started teaching "that" instead.)

The rule I learned (somewhat recently) is to use "that" when the subordinate clause serves to identify something, and use "which", "who", or "whom" when the subordinate clause serves to describe something whose identity would be clear even in its absense.

Consider the following two texts:

Imagine swapping the second sentence of each example with the second sentence of the other. Almost comical.
940 posted on 09/10/2004 11:35:41 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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