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Beslan Changed Russia...and the world.
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| September 07, 2004
| Barbara Lerner
Posted on 09/07/2004 9:35:10 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: MarMema
I was hesitant about Slobo's tactics, but now after this -- we can't let these moon god cultists live next to us, they will destroy us.
81
posted on
09/07/2004 2:53:04 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Cronos
President Vladimir Putin accused the United States of undermining Russia's struggle against terror by meeting with Chechen separatists and rejected calls for a public inquiry into whether authorities mishandled the hostage-taking in Beslan.
Putin told a group of Western policy analysts Monday night that his administration has repeatedly complained about meetings between U.S. officials and representatives of Chechen separatists, but to no avail.
Washington has invariably responded with "we will get back to you" or "we reserve the right to talk with anyone we want," Putin told the group during a wide-ranging policy discussion at his residence outside Moscow, according to CNN's account of the meeting.
"Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it to him so he leaves you in peace? Why don't you do that?" Putin said, according to The Guardian.
"You find it possible to set some limitations in your dealings with these bastards, so why should we talk to people who are child-killers?" he said, Reuters reported.
Putin's comments shed further light on who he had in mind Saturday when he lashed out at those who assist terrorist efforts to "tear off a big chunk of our country" because they "think that Russia, as one of the greatest nuclear powers of the world, is still a threat, and this threat has to be eliminated." Putin was speaking in a televised address to the nation.
Moscow has criticized a decision by a U.S. court to grant asylum to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the rebel government.
Putin reportedly bears a personal grudge against British Prime Minister Tony Blair for a British court's refusal to hand over Akhmad Zakayev, envoy to Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov. Denmark earlier refused to extradite Zakayev as well.
"There's a Yugoslavia variant here," Putin warned, according to notes taken by participant Eileen O'Connor, The Washington Post reported. "It would be difficult to imagine the consequences for the rest of the world. Bear in mind Russia is a nuclear power."
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/09/08/002.html
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posted on
09/07/2004 3:51:47 PM PDT
by
Truth666
To: Truth666
There's a Yugoslavia variant here," Putin warned, according to notes taken by participant Eileen O'Connor, The Washington Post reported. "It would be difficult to imagine the consequences for the rest of the world. Bear in mind Russia is a nuclear power."First time I'd seen that quote.
He's basically saying he'll use nukes against .. whom? The Chechens? The EU?
He might first want to consider pulling the reactors from Iran.
83
posted on
09/07/2004 4:16:26 PM PDT
by
angkor
To: angkor
"There's a Yugoslavia variant here, Putin warned..."
Serbia suffered, just as Russia is suffering, from the actions of their islamic population. The US waged war against Serbia, whose leader is now charged with war crimes.
Why wouldn't Putin see himself in the same position?
Let's imagine Kerry won the election. How safe would that make you feel, if you were Putin?
84
posted on
09/07/2004 4:50:57 PM PDT
by
Fred Nerks
(Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
To: Fred Nerks
Let's imagine Kerry won the election. How safe would that make you feel, if you were Putin?He has an odd way of making a point, but the point is made.
85
posted on
09/07/2004 5:30:21 PM PDT
by
angkor
To: wtc911
I don't know that the full fury of Russian power could even decisively defeat Chechnya.
I think you may be wrong on that one. In the previous war and the current war, Russia never fought as strongly as they could have. I think fears of international pressure and sanctions put a limit on the size of the hammer they would use. Now that Putin is going to the UN and proving to the world that this is an international attack upon his country, he can pull out the big stick.
86
posted on
09/07/2004 5:32:20 PM PDT
by
Andy from Beaverton
(I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
To: xsysmgr
an Islamist enemy that hates Christians, Hindus, and progressive Muslims as much as it hates Jews, Let's change the wording a little and see how it works.
A Nazi enemy that hates Christians, Hindus, and progressive Nazis as much as it hates Jews
Gee, that sounds silly, doesn't it?
The article is almost right. But the problem is not "fundamentalist islam" or "extreme islam". Rather, the problem is is-slime as a whole.
87
posted on
09/07/2004 5:35:09 PM PDT
by
neutrino
(Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
To: Fred Nerks
"Serbia suffered, just as Russia is suffering, from the actions of their Islamic population."
Yeah, but we (under the Clinton admin) were on the side of the Islamics. We still are letting them get away with murder and drug dealing.
Not only that we allowed THOUSANDS of Moslem's emigrate to the U.S. Now how many of those are working to perform Balkans magic here?
88
posted on
09/07/2004 6:26:40 PM PDT
by
JSteff
To: xsysmgr
Calling the Cold War WWIII is silly: the main adversaries never met on the field of battle.
The Cold War was 'The Cold War' and our current struggles are WWIII.
89
posted on
09/07/2004 6:29:38 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(With what? Spitballs!?!)
To: Andy from Beaverton
Russia's public opinion mettle has been damaged in the past two decades by the failure and deaths in Afghanistan, the collapse of the Union and the seemingly endless and futile bleeding in Chechnya. Add the lack of financial support for troops both in service and out together with the dismal care for WIAs and the drug problems rampant in the Russian Army and you don't get a deep sense of capability or esprit de corps. The sense is much closer to 1971 America than 2004 America.
"Now that Putin is going to the UN and proving to the world that this is an international attack upon his country, he can pull out the big stick."-------------------------------------I don't know. If the useless UN decides that it is an international terror conspiracy that could get Chechnya off the hook in their eyes. Me, I'd like to see Russian Armor Divisions flatten that cesspool.
90
posted on
09/07/2004 7:05:39 PM PDT
by
wtc911
(I have half a Snickers...it was given to me by a CIA guy as we went into Cambodia)
To: wtc911
To be honest, I don't want Grozny or Chechnya flattened, but I do want all of the foreign fighters and radical Chechen Islamists killed. The rest can live in peace. Many of these people just want the fighting to end, they don't care who is in charge.
91
posted on
09/07/2004 7:35:56 PM PDT
by
Andy from Beaverton
(I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
To: angkor
He's basically saying he'll use nukes against .. whom? The Chechens? The EU?
Mecca and Medina
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posted on
09/07/2004 10:27:01 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Fred Nerks; RussianConservative; Spanishguy; Destro; MarMema; NYer; sukhoi-30mki; swarthyguy; ...
Serbia suffered, just as Russia is suffering, from the actions of their islamic population.
look around the world -- ANY country that gets theIslamic disease suffers -- can you name ANY country that has a mooslime minority that doesn't have problems? Examples -- Serbia, Russia, Israel, India, Thailand, the Phillipines, Nigeria, Lebanon (well they started out as a minority then increased their population while the christians left) and now The UK and France and Germany
We are slowly seeing the problem in the US now. This is NOT an ethnic/race thing and we don't need to be PC about it -- mooslimes can come from any race, any ethnicity -- just like axe-murderers. And just like them, they need to be eliminated. Let's stop the problem from creeping further IN the US, and also help these nations that are troubled by the mooslimes -- the enemy of my enemy IS my friend.
93
posted on
09/07/2004 10:37:31 PM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Cronos
Well said, Cronos, well said indeed!
94
posted on
09/08/2004 1:06:24 AM PDT
by
neutrino
(Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
To: Andy from Beaverton
To be honest, I don't want Grozny or Chechnya flattened
What's your opinion if we just flatten Mecca?
95
posted on
09/08/2004 1:26:34 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(W2K4)
To: Cronos
yep and worth repeating...Islamaslime is the enemy!
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posted on
09/08/2004 1:43:39 AM PDT
by
rrrod
To: Andy from Beaverton
To be honest, I don't want Grozny or Chechnya flattened, but I do want all of the foreign fighters and radical Chechen Islamists killed. The rest can live in peace. Many of these people just want the fighting to end, they don't care who is in charge.
___________________________________
Reasonable.
97
posted on
09/08/2004 3:56:18 AM PDT
by
wtc911
(I have half a Snickers...it was given to me by a CIA guy as we went into Cambodia)
To: xsysmgr
How do this change the world? The muslims do this regularly to children in the Sudan, and are still doing it and it has not changed the world one bit. Expect this tragedy to fade into a distant memory soon enough.
98
posted on
09/08/2004 4:05:15 AM PDT
by
cyborg
(http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
To: Cronos
Let's not recriminate but move forward and fight together. Sure, but that doesn't make my statement false, does it?
As you know full well, Russia has not been what one could call friendly to the causes of the US since... let's say... the Berlin Airlift.
We attempted to come to their aid when their nuclear sub went down a few years back, but they refused even that help.
99
posted on
09/08/2004 4:12:44 AM PDT
by
Preachin'
(Democrats are liars...)
To: monday
Yes, true, but Russia never really believed that to be true. Or Russia never really believed that Russia was just as much a target as the USA. And the USA never really believed that the terrorists would target Russia for a 911 type event. 901 in some ways was more horrific 911, now both countries understand that both are at risk and both are targets for the most horrid kinds of attacks.
Re, our State Department, hopefully 901 will have opened their eyes to the fact that it is the Christan West (including Russia), not just USA and allies that are under attack. The cold war is over, both the USA and Russia need to get over their old cold war fear of one another. This new war is global and like it or not, the USA and Russia are allies in this fight. Unfortunately Bill Clinton war in Kosovo was a big mistake, Clinton did not recognize that Kosovo was in just just a battle in the war of civilizations. Now it is up to Bush to right that wrong and put together a real alliance of Western powers to fig th the war. If I were Putin, righting the Kosovo wrong would be my price for joining the alliance. Look for Serbia to play a larger role in Kosovo, if you see movement in that direction then we will now a deal has been struck.
100
posted on
09/08/2004 6:47:51 AM PDT
by
jpsb
(Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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