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KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES! (Dukakis Moment?)
Drudgereport.com ^ | 9/7/04 | Drudge

Posted on 09/07/2004 8:47:30 AM PDT by truthandlife

Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry was seen this weekend touting a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law...



KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES!


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; bill; gungrabbers; gunlaws; guns; gunvote; kerry; kerryphotoops; secondamendment
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To: Leapfrog
None of the shotguns pictured are semi-auto or have a pistol grip. The two shotguns pictures on the left are of semi-automatic shotguns.

I used that little submit window to tell him that the traditional stock/grip combo is usually not considered a pistol grip as compared to an m-16/ak-47.

But I further said that given the tendency of dems/libs/gungrabbers to give common terms new definitions to suit their purposes, the spirit of the questions that these pictures bring up is still valid.

201 posted on 09/07/2004 9:44:57 AM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: fooman

Judge Judy can stuff it. ALL gun manufacturers would describe that stock as having a pistol grip. If the law banned "pistol grips" what would the Supreme Court say?


202 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: underwiredsupport
"Drudge calls the stock a pistol grip. I am afraid he is misinformed on that matter...."

Wish I knew more about guns so I could comment intelligently, but some FReeper posted an excerpt from the actual pistol grip law, and it looked to be very vague and broad.

(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

According to the way the law was written, I think the gun Kerry is handling could easily qualify as a so-called "pistol grip".

203 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:04 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: underwiredsupport
Drudge calls the stock a pistol grip. I am afraid he is misinformed on that matter....

California lawmakers and other liberals say that the grip on your illustrated shotgun is a pistolgrip - buy their definition. That shotgun would have been outlawed under the bill.

204 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:15 AM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri - monthly donor - bad speller)
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To: AppyPappy

Drudge is right on the money. See #178.


205 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: Callahan

I see your point. My point is basically that journalists are sorely undereducated concerning firearms.


206 posted on 09/07/2004 9:46:28 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: f zero

I think the question is, what is "defined" as a pistol grip in the bill Kerry co-sponsored? .. It it is not specifically defined, that it means it is left to some judge or judges to determine what a pistol grip gun is ....


207 posted on 09/07/2004 9:46:34 AM PDT by usastandsunited
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To: truthandlife

GUESS WHO'S ENDORSING JOHN KERRY????

The Communist Party of The United States of America, CPUSA, is publicly supporting the election of John Kerry.

 

No, this is not a typo...you read it correctly. The CPUSA has made available on its Web site, www.cpusa.org , an advertisement entitled Top Ten Reasons To Defeat Bush. This advertisement can be downloaded. The communist party urges readers to place this ad in local newspapers throughout the country to defeat President Bush.

 

Remarkably, the "Top Ten Reasons" of the Communist party are identical to those of the Democratic Party; out-sourcing, homosexual rights, abortion and the like.

 

At first, it was thought that "this was only a coincidence." The Democratic party of the United States couldn't be in lock step with the Marxists! So, the originator of this email wrote to a spokesman of the CPUSA in Georgia and here is part of the spokesman's letter: "The CPUSA supports the John Kerry campaign with donations and volunteer effort. We believe that defeating George Bush is the single most important issue this November"


208 posted on 09/07/2004 9:46:49 AM PDT by Broker (Yow!)
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To: Jack Black
It is the penultimate "sporting arm"...

Second to the last? Which sporting arm is the last?

209 posted on 09/07/2004 9:46:57 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: rface

To heck with the lawmakers. Gun manufacturers call that a pistol grip and always have.


210 posted on 09/07/2004 9:47:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: All
I can't take this anymore!

One: The shotgun in the photos on the left IS a semi auto. Drudge has since removed the photos of the O/U shotgun that were on the right.

Two: For those of you who don't "see" a pistol grip on the stock of that gun, you're looking for a AK-47 or M-16 style protruding grip. That is not the only type of "pistol grip". The portion of the stock that slants downward and bulges to fill the palm of your hand is sometimes called the "pistol grip". I've seen it described so in several articles in "Guns and Ammo" and "American Rifleman".

The point is that the way the legislation was written, that gun he was holding , and apparently received in a illegal transfer of ownership, would have been banned.

Drudge is right on, and I commend him for a good find.

211 posted on 09/07/2004 9:47:27 AM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: truthandlife
*****me pounding fists on the table*****

"It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter! "

There are far more serious errors on sKerry's part for us to focus on petty things such as this

212 posted on 09/07/2004 9:49:54 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: harrycarey
"I thank you for the gift, but I can't take it to the debate with me," Kerry told a cheering crowd as he held up the device.

I want to know what THAT means...
213 posted on 09/07/2004 9:50:10 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: TigersEye
From the Beretta website:

stock Length: 360 mm 14 11/64" ~ (with full pistol grip) (bolding is mine)

Looks the manufacturer calls this a full pistol grip.

Your grade for this assignment,
A+
You've done your homework.

214 posted on 09/07/2004 9:50:47 AM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: RogueIsland
Actually, yes it can be construed as such. A pistol grip is defined as "conspicuously protruding" beneath the line of the stock, I believe. You will even find articles on hunting rifles referring to the "pistol grip" of the stock -- it is not a term confined to AR-style grips.

Pretty much how I see it. Usually the stock/grip combo isn't put in the same boat as the M-16 type grip by gun grabbers.

Not for lack of desire to get ban those kinds of guns as well, its just that all but the most extreme of them know that to attack hunters (whose guns are primarily of the traditional type) is to awaken a huge sleeping bear of voters that for the most part won't complain about gun laws as long as it doesn't touch their favorite past time.

215 posted on 09/07/2004 9:51:11 AM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: TigersEye

If his flip-flopping shotgun, before it was a rifle, is a Berreta? was it made in the states or was the dims union thugs out sourcing when the could have contributed to American workers jobs by staw purchasing a Ruger, remington, Winchester, & etc for Kerry??????????????????

Breaking news: Kerry out sources his straw gun purchases to Italian manufacture.


216 posted on 09/07/2004 9:51:19 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: BJungNan

:-) Thank you. Google is our friend.


217 posted on 09/07/2004 9:52:32 AM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: usastandsunited

Good thing the assault weapons ban is expiring. Time to go shopping! That should pump millions into the US economy. Personally I need some more 13 round clips.


218 posted on 09/07/2004 9:52:44 AM PDT by f zero
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To: Dolphy

W for Wrong

Kerry is Wrong for America!


219 posted on 09/07/2004 9:53:14 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge
That is not the way the law reads. S.1431 - Definitions

`(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

220 posted on 09/07/2004 9:53:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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