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Why does Iran want to provoke a response from the US?

Posted on 09/06/2004 10:58:13 AM PDT by jim macomber

This is a question to the collective analysis of the group.

I just watched an interview on Fox with the head of an interntational strategic analysis company (didn't get the name but it was something like that). At one point, he strongly made the point that not only was/is Al Queda involved in the Beslan massacre but so was Iran. And not only that (according to the interviewee) Iran is making it clear that they were involved in the "hope of provoking a response from the US?"

The interviewer (as they do) went right past that to her next predetermined question and didn't ask - to me, anyway, the obvious and compelling follow-up.

Why?

Why would Iran WANT to provoke a reaction from the US? - Because they actually think the world would side with them? (Watching the EU reaction to Beslan, you can see why they might think that.) - An excuse to nuke Israel? - Are they still operating under the illusion that we won't fight back? - And maybe the scariest question of all. Do they actually think we would turn out GWB for Kerry if they provoke a response from us?


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1 posted on 09/06/2004 10:58:14 AM PDT by jim macomber
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To: jim macomber

Your thoughts?


2 posted on 09/06/2004 10:58:36 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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They think Kerry is going to win and help them like he helped the North Vietnamese.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 11:03:39 AM PDT by Bigh4u2
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To: jim macomber

It's the same sort of miscalculation that Saddam made. Iran thinks we don't have the guts for another war in the Middle East - they are dead wrong.


4 posted on 09/06/2004 11:04:48 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: jim macomber

I think they want nothing more than to rile up the anti war crowd in hopes of getting rid of Bush.


5 posted on 09/06/2004 11:07:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: jim macomber

Mooslime clerics love their people living in rubble and poverty. A few MOABs and the clerics will be able to tell their people it is the will of Allah that they do penance. There will be more poor etc and so the Mullahs have more power. It is all about power.


6 posted on 09/06/2004 11:07:48 AM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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Here are my guesses as to why Iran might want to provoke a response from the US:

1. More Musliims can be recruited to join the world-wide jihad.

2. Iran must confront the US directly in order for the current government to stay in power. If they simply try to soft peddle the issues and play both sides by attempting make themselves into a moderate, friendly state the infuluence of the US will impower Iranians to rise up in revolt against the government. The status quo will not keep them in power.

Either way, it is a matter of time before the Iranian government collapses. Let's just hope it happens before they can unleash too much more rage on the world.

7 posted on 09/06/2004 11:11:07 AM PDT by JeepInMazar
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They need to undermine any attempt at a Democratic government in Iraq, even one where Iraq is a Muslim state but not led by Islamists. I think the Mullahs feel threatened.


8 posted on 09/06/2004 11:11:34 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: jim macomber

It's obvious - It's a move to get Kerry elected - If Bush reacts the media tags him with "wanting to start another one" to stay in office.


9 posted on 09/06/2004 11:11:47 AM PDT by RS (The Truth may be slimy, but it is never slime)
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To: JulieRNR21; Jeff Head; JohnHuang2; Squantos; Dubya; hosepipe; blackie; Reb Raider; areafiftyone; ...

I meant to include all of you in the original post.


10 posted on 09/06/2004 11:12:50 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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Transport Russian Troops to Iran to bash some heads so that they can get the answer.


11 posted on 09/06/2004 11:13:05 AM PDT by dila813
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To: JeepInMazar

"Either way, it is a matter of time before the Iranian government collapses. Let's just hope it happens before they can unleash too much more rage on the world."

I do agree with that. Iran, more so than Iraq, is ripe for unrest and even overthrow - and by its own. And they do have a degree of experience with democracy.
We need to vigorously support the opposition.


12 posted on 09/06/2004 11:17:55 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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So Iran can show that Bush is a warmonger and that Kerry would be a more senstive choice.


13 posted on 09/06/2004 11:19:42 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: jim macomber

Imho, the mullahs are thinking that they must be pre-emptive against their own young Irani citizens, who are within spitting distance of overthrowing the theocracy, first in their own minds and then in reality.

An impending state of war provides ample rationales for cracking young skulls and increasing control over the population.

As another poster said, it's all about power.


14 posted on 09/06/2004 11:20:43 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Henchman

"It is all about power."

Undeniably.


15 posted on 09/06/2004 11:20:58 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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> ... not only was/is Al Queda involved in the
> Beslan massacre but so was Iran.

We haven't yet seen the full Russian response.

Unfortunately, I won't be surprised if it includes
a bright flash over Tehran, and a warning that key
sites with symbolic value to the Cutthroat Cult
will be next.

Watch for suggestions from Moscow that non-muslim
countries withdraw their nationals from Iran.


16 posted on 09/06/2004 11:21:23 AM PDT by Boundless
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Several scenrios, which somehow link together..The Iranian mullahs aren't popular at home..75% of the country wants them gone, wants a secular regime, and democracy. It could well be toppled in a civil uprising. Also, the Iranians know full well that Israel will NOT, under NO circumstances, allow Iran to go nuclear..So, all the Iranian posturing recently is a misguided attempt to deflect Israel. Iran won't be ready till late 05, at best, to produce a weapon. Therefore Israel can wait. However, since Israel's attack in inevitable, the Iranians would like it to happen before the US election, and before things quiet down in Iraq..Don't make the mistake of looking for, or assuming, logical behavior in the mullah's actions. There's a method to their madness, but, madness it still is..


17 posted on 09/06/2004 11:21:31 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: jim macomber

The Mullahs in power are not popular and are worried about a popular uprising which would overthrow their rule. If Iran is attacked however, patriotism would ensure that all Iranians would work together to fight the invaders, whether the US, Russia, or Israel.

It is an age old remedy for domestic problems that has been used by the rulers of almost every country one time or another.


18 posted on 09/06/2004 11:23:09 AM PDT by monday
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"Imho, the mullahs are thinking that they must be pre-emptive against their own young Irani citizens, who are within spitting distance of overthrowing the theocracy, first in their own minds and then in reality.
An impending state of war provides ample rationales for cracking young skulls and increasing control over the population."

- Or brings matters to a head?

As another poster said, it's all about power.

Indeed it is.


19 posted on 09/06/2004 11:24:28 AM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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They want to ignite the middle east. Washington has been restraining the Israelis from going after their nuke sites until after the election; calculating--correctly--that it would lead to a general "jihad" with the terror states in the lead.

If Bush wins, there is no way Israel will be restrained from removing the clear and present danger posed by the Iranian nukes. Heck, if Bush wins it might be a joint operation. If Kerry wins, Israel will go it alone.

Bush is banking on his win, and holding (for now) the Israeli pit-bull by the leash with all his might.

--Boris

20 posted on 09/06/2004 11:25:40 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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