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C-SPAN's "Military in the 21st Century" . . . . Did Anyone Else Watch?

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:05:43 PM PDT by MrChips

Did anyone else watch any part of the C-SPAN presentation (a replay, on late last night)by the guy from the National Defense University who was doing an incredibly sophisticated, large-screen, "powerpoint"-like presentation on the military in the 21st century? You military guys out there are probably used to such things. But it was all new to me. And very impressive. It was also a bit Orwellian, frightening, unsettling . . . like a scene straight out of a Tom Clancy novel. The guy focused on changes over time in out military structure, future needs and the like, using all kinds of cool graphics. And he did spend some time on the war on terrorism. It was all a bit much to take in . . . I'm just a Latin teacher . . . but he did make a couple of comments about which I have been reflecting all day long . . . .

He explained that the Muslim world, by and large, is "disconnected" from the rest of the world, clinging to a fundamentalist past, and oor worldwide effort needs to be the business of "connecting" it tot he rest of the civilized world. And he suggested that, contrary to frequent Democratic (and European) spin, "democracy" is NOT at all offensive or unacceptable to the Muslim mentalite'. Indeed, it fosters freedoms of movement and expression which help to connect it. Rather, what is offensive to the Muslim world is not our political system but simply, our relative decadence. Think of their attitude toward women. Think of the liberation of women in Afghanistan. Thus, it all boils down to sex. Now there's a theory! Any thoughts out there?


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1 posted on 09/05/2004 7:05:44 PM PDT by MrChips
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To: MrChips

I watched it and I thought it was extremely interesting. Do you remember that guys name or his Web Site Address?


2 posted on 09/05/2004 7:14:04 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says he Would Conduct a More Thoughtful and Sensitive War on Terror)
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To: MrChips

C_Span has on their schedule, his name is Thomas P.M. Barnett


3 posted on 09/05/2004 7:18:04 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says he Would Conduct a More Thoughtful and Sensitive War on Terror)
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No, sorry. I don't. Yes, interesting. But I could not follow it all. Too overwhelming. But, his "It's all about sex" thesis I found especially interesting. Sure does simplify things.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 7:18:27 PM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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To: MJY1288
Check it out.

Global Transaction Strategy [author of the Pentagon's New Map #3 at Amazon]

5 posted on 09/05/2004 7:21:19 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (No, we're not losing any air from our tires. That's just the "girly-men" hissing and sputtering....)
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To: MrChips

Yes, the control of women is the botom line.

That's what they are really fighting about.




6 posted on 09/05/2004 7:21:56 PM PDT by demlosers (58 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I was working late, and I had it on. Very fascinating. I thought his slide show and noises were tedious, but the overall content was excellent.


7 posted on 09/05/2004 7:22:41 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: MJY1288

His website is thomasbarnett.com or something close to that.


8 posted on 09/05/2004 7:23:28 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: NicknamedBob
Thanks. It says By Thomas P.M. Barnett and Henry H. Gaffney Jr. . . . and I think I saw Gaffney on CSPAN the other day in a "debate" with Gary Hart, and Gaffney was brilliant.
9 posted on 09/05/2004 7:24:57 PM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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To: MrChips

I caught the last 15 minutes. Found myself glued to the tv. I thought he made a lot of sense. I'm retired Navy. I like these guys who, apparently, are very smart and do their homework. Much better than all the "experts" we see daily on news shows.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 7:26:06 PM PDT by ampat
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"Think of their attitude toward women. Think of the liberation of women in Afghanistan. Thus, it all boils down to sex."

Actually, I believe his interpretation was, that to enter the global market competitively, you had to free the women from bondage. This is rather anathema to the Islamists, but I say GOOD!!! And what is good for the women there, will be good for the rest of the world, as well.

11 posted on 09/05/2004 7:26:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (No, we're not losing any air from our tires. That's just the "girly-men" hissing and sputtering....)
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I saw it too. Very interesting with respect to the sex aspect. We're going to have to drag them into the new millenium kicking and screaming about their rights to subjugate women.

He also mentioned this website.

National Intelligence Council
http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_home.html


12 posted on 09/05/2004 7:32:05 PM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: ampat

One point he made, that you might have missed, was that once an officer reached what he called "flag" rank, that he should be no longer simply a part of his originating service, but become a multi-service expert.

Did you catch that? And do you have an opinion to share about it?


13 posted on 09/05/2004 7:33:08 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (No, we're not losing any air from our tires. That's just the "girly-men" hissing and sputtering....)
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Well, yes, but the "It's all about sex" line was his, by which he meant not only the liberation of women, but the attendant loosening up of Muslim attitudes toward sex. In other words, they fear the removal of the burka or the veil is tantamount to the opening of Pandora's box or the eating of the apple by Eve. And that is a difficult problem for the West. Is it, indeed, the root cause of all the conflict now going on?


14 posted on 09/05/2004 7:36:21 PM PDT by MrChips (ARD)
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While the trust of the presentation was transformation of the military, in reponse to a question asked by a muslim, Mr Barnett stated that the "western decadence" is what really scares the Islamic world, not democracy. That seems to make one hell of a case against hollywood and their like, the aclu, liberals,etc. Bottom line; the current democratic party is not good for America.


15 posted on 09/05/2004 7:39:57 PM PDT by ampat
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To: MrChips

I saw some of it. The comments about women in the workforce the freedom and power it gives them being what really upsets muslims, was quite interesting.


16 posted on 09/05/2004 7:42:34 PM PDT by BallyBill (http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/)
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To: MrChips

I caught his presentation while channel surfing last night.

His take on the WOT and the type of forces, role of allies was fascinating. I checked out his web site. He is leaning towards voting for Kerry ( Scoop Jackson Lib from RI?).

Here is a link to his web site, well worth a look:

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/


17 posted on 09/05/2004 7:42:58 PM PDT by Leto
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Becoming a multi-service expert has been in the mill now for about two decades (one ticket needing punching is joint duty (tour of duty with another service)). I guess he wants it expanded a lot more. He also mentioned parts of the military acting more like the Coast Guard which has both military as well as policing duties. Now that's a hard nut (paradigm shift) to crack.


18 posted on 09/05/2004 7:44:17 PM PDT by ampat
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To: MrChips

I caught it last night after tiring of hurricane coverage. Extremely interesting to watch.


19 posted on 09/05/2004 7:58:39 PM PDT by PPHSFL (God Bless America)
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To: MrChips
I disagree about the Muslims clinging to a 'fundamentalist' past...when Islam is distilled down to it's purest form...you have what is described as 'fundamentalist' past.....they don't 'cling' to it per se...it is what Islam is all about...it will never go away as long as there is Islam...

This watered down version of 'moderate' Islam will never over play what is coming out of the wellspring of Islam...Mecca and Medina... The Wahabists style is true Islam and its taught in the language the Imam and Mullahs demand for true scholars of Islam..

Moderate Islam is an effective 'Trojan Horse' tricking the western nations into allowing them in
to buy up property invest in business be appointed to positions of power within govt and institutions...where they can begin the erosion of the host.....it is a saprocitic relationship to be sure...

Once the Mosques and Islamic Centers and sufficient rural property for summer camps have been acquired...then the movement ...into the host... of real Muslims begins...

And when they have corrupted enough politicians and taken over enough institutions...beguiled the populace demanding to be accepted for the sake of diversity...and able to label anyone against them as intolerant and are able to silence or jail any and all critics...they will make their move...

They will have won the day the people put fundamental Islam on a par with fundamental Christianity...

imo
20 posted on 09/05/2004 8:00:31 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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