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The Constitution under attack. What is the FTAA?
Free Trade Area of the Americas ^ | ongoing | FTAA

Posted on 09/05/2004 5:52:32 PM PDT by backtothestreets

The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) would be the campaign issue of this election if either party did not endorse it.  The effect of this accord will make our Constitution bow to this international body.  The original deadline of May 2004 was purposely and deliberately changed to Jan 2005, after our elections.

"We direct our Ministers to ensure that negotiations of the FTAA Agreement are concluded no later than January 2005 and to seek its entry into force as soon as possible thereafter, but in any case, no later than December 2005."

SOURCE: Deadline

"We have a great vision before us: a fully democratic hemisphere, bound together by good will and free trade.  That is a tall order.  It is also the chance of a lifetime.  And it is the responsibility we share."

President George W. Bush
April 21, 2001

"Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA):  The FTAA will extend the benefits of free trade to countries throughout the Hemisphere.  When completed, the FTAA will be the largest free trade area in the world, with a combined GDP of more that $10 trillion and 800 million people.  The Bush Administration is committed to concluding FTAA negotiations by January 2005 and to implement the agreement no later than December 2005.  The President will seek Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) from the U.S. Congress to enable his Administration to negotiate trade agreements more easily."

SOURCE:  Fact Sheet President's Speech at the Summit of the Americas

"President Bush and the other Leaders welcomed recent progress made on the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) at the November, 2003 FTAA Ministerial in Miami, endorsed the Miami framework, and reaffirmed the agreed timetable of completing negotiations by January 2005."  January 13, 2004

SOURCE:  WHITE HOUSE FACT SHEET

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To: MissAmericanPie
Different constituencies in India, China, etc?

Yes and no. Not all the "constituencies" are overseas. Depending on your point of view, it can be argued that the majority of them reside here, and provide those high-paying jobs the folks at JBS claim to represent.

I believe that is called strip mining the wealth of Americans in favor of Corporations.

That is simply absurd. If there if "strip mining" going on (I tend to avoid Marxist rhetoric), it's occuring to an even greater degree in our "protected" industries.

81 posted on 09/07/2004 7:57:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MissAmericanPie

OK, I will email my congressman and Senators now. Sounds like this needs to be defeated. Any grass-roots efforts to make sure Congress and Bush for that matter, know that this MUST NOT be passed, let me know.


82 posted on 09/07/2004 8:10:34 AM PDT by RockinRight (Vote early, vote often)
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To: 1rudeboy
The evidence seems to be against you regarding the quality of jobs replacing the jobs that are going over seas. There is a balance you know between the self interest of your stock portfolio and the best interest of your fellow countrymen.

I don't want to let you slip away without getting back to the issue of the Steel Tariff. You blew that off far too easily.

The trade laws on the books states that a nation has the right to impose a temporary tariff in order to allow an industry to retool, regroup, and make itself more competitive in a world market.

You may not have liked the Steel Tariff but the fact is according to the treaty involved Bush had the right to issue it. This board went against what is written in it's own books in order to give the USofA a slap down. And folks like you see no problem in handing over the reins of power to these jackasses. I have to dash to work, gad I hate to leave a good debate when it's getting good. I'll check back.
83 posted on 09/07/2004 8:24:01 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Publius Valerius

The reality of NAFTA regarding food such as produce and meats is that these products are not labeled.


84 posted on 09/07/2004 8:41:44 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: MissAmericanPie
The evidence seems to be against you regarding the quality of jobs replacing the jobs that are going over seas.

Hardly. If there is indeed a "race to the bottom," as folks have been claiming for years if not decades, when does the race begin?

Trade is only one element in a much bigger picture of incessant turnover in the American labor market. Furthermore, the overall trend is toward more and better jobs for American workers. While job losses are real and sometimes very painful, it is important -- indeed, for the formulation of sound public policy, it is vital -- to distinguish between the painful aspects of progress and outright decline.

Source (with specifics).

The trade laws on the books states that a nation has the right to impose a temporary tariff in order to allow an industry to retool, regroup, and make itself more competitive in a world market.

I'm not claiming that Bush does not have the authority to impose a steel tariff. But a proper understanding of the issue requires that the costs of the tariff be taken into account. Most proponents of the steel tariff (not you, specifically) "blew that off far too easily."

85 posted on 09/07/2004 8:45:08 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: texastoo

That may be so, but that doesn't mean that the food can legally be contaminated. The agreement requires that all food meet international requirements for safety and sanitation. At the end of the day, that's all you can do. If some farmers in Mexico don't follow the rules, it's no different than some farmers in the US not following the rules.

The fact remains that under the NAFTA, the US has the power to block imports of food and agricultural products that don't meet international standards.


86 posted on 09/07/2004 8:51:47 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: texastoo
The reality of NAFTA regarding food such as produce and meats is that these products are not labeled.

So what? What does a label have to do with the fact that something might be contaminated?

And in the case of the infamous Californian/Mexican strawberries of the 90's, it was a U.S. company that fraudulently represented Mexican strawberries as home-grown in order to qualify for school food programs. There ain't no trade agreement that will prevent that sort of activity.

87 posted on 09/07/2004 8:55:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Publius Valerius
The fact remains that under the NAFTA, the US has the power to block imports of food and agricultural products that don't meet international standards.

That will come as a shock to some of the Birchers here. [chuckle]
I remember a thread from a while back where somebody claimed the the U.S. was prevented by NAFTA from policing the safety of its food supply.

88 posted on 09/07/2004 8:57:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Publius Valerius
Any mention of such consideration in any stated opinion of a member of the Supreme Court is too much. The elites of the US itch for some way to apply fundamentally unconstitutional precepts to the US. Starting through 'dialog' to consider statist legal theory from the EU states is the beginning of incorporating such concepts into US judicial decisions. A particular issue is the 2nd Amendment which the transnational progressives in the US loath on principle.

This issue illuminates what is to me the real objection to the FTAA. Its clear potential for creating a 'regional governance' regime which can trump US sovereignty over a lot more than just trade issues. The EU despotism was spawned in the same fashion moving from a statist cartel on coal and steel to a regional tariff reduction zone to what is now a full fledged supranational regime with it s own currency and the ability to enforce its fiat on any member state. Incidentally the Eucrats have in discussions stated that adherence by a national entity cannot be rescinded, in effect attempts at secession will not be tolerated and vetoed with military force if necessary.

Do we see what the real issue is with the FTAA now? Is it worth some marginal improvements in profitability for some large economic players to destroy our sovereignty and negate our constitutional rights as American citizens?
89 posted on 09/07/2004 8:57:56 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
The EU despotism was spawned in the same fashion moving from a statist cartel on coal and steel to a regional tariff reduction zone to what is now a full fledged supranational regime with it s own currency and the ability to enforce its fiat on any member state.

Actually, the Maastricht Treaty (currency unification) came first.

90 posted on 09/07/2004 9:00:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
So what? What does a label have to do with the fact that something might be contaminated?

Good question. So why not label the country of origin? Especially if all the countries are playing by the rules like some would have us believe.

91 posted on 09/07/2004 9:04:56 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, it was step three, after the Treaty of Rome and before the EU compact.


92 posted on 09/07/2004 9:05:43 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: texastoo

On my trips to the grocery store, most of the produce I see is already labeled with country-of-origin. I'm not sure what the labeling requirements actually are.


93 posted on 09/07/2004 9:06:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Publius Valerius
The agreement requires that all food meet international requirements for safety and sanitation.

You expect corrupt Mexico to follow the rules? We have had cantaminated cantelopes, strawberries, green onions and now candy with lead in it in the US. All from NAFTA and Mexico. Mad cow disease from Canada. Tell me about these countries following the rules.

94 posted on 09/07/2004 9:16:46 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo

Now you are straying into logical fallacies. Are you suggesting that U.S. companies do not occasionally sell contaminated product? And if they do, is it NAFTA's fault?


95 posted on 09/07/2004 9:41:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: texastoo
How can the following happen? This beef was produced in the United States!

18 Million Lbs. Of Contaminated Beef Recalled
At Least 18 People Sickened

POSTED: 9:32 am PDT July 19, 2002
UPDATED: 6:18 pm PDT July 19, 2002

WASHINGTON -- A recall of contaminated hamburger linked to E. coli bacteria illnesses among 18 people is being expanded to 18 million pounds and 21 states, the Agriculture Department said Friday. California is among the states affected.

Source


96 posted on 09/07/2004 9:45:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
How can the following happen? This beef was produced in the United States!

If I read your article correctly, there was no mention of where the meat came from. Link Please.

97 posted on 09/07/2004 10:50:38 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo
Who gives a darn where the meat came from? E. coli comes from everywhere.
98 posted on 09/07/2004 11:00:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: metesky
Having supported every Republican candidate for president since 1968, this year would be no different if the Republicans hadn't drifted so radically from party principles.  At this time my vote is going to Peroutka of the Constitution Party.  My decision is based in part to the FTAA.  It could change if the issue of the FTAA, and similar international accords were openly discussed by Bush, Kerry and their respective parties.  This would depend on the responses the discussions brought forth.  At this time unfortunately, this will not happen as both major political parties, and their candidates support the FTAA and similar bodies.
99 posted on 09/07/2004 11:19:01 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Publius Valerius

I recall a news headline within the past few weeks about the farm subsidies. I won't defend what I wrote. Neither will I contradict what you wrote. Either would detract from my original reason for the initial post on the FTAA.

The FTAA must be discussed openly so citizens throughout the nation can be made aware of what it is, and what changes may come as a result of it.

The discussions must not be among citizens alone. The discussions must include those that we duly elect to represent our interests.

Citizens must force the candidates to discuss government policies that may affect their lives in an adverse manner.


100 posted on 09/07/2004 11:30:41 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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