...Regardless, I hope you saw #34 & #36 as well.
Posted on 09/05/2004 2:59:39 PM PDT by Keen-Minded
Gents...........
Sincere thanks to Chosin Few member Hector Cafferata, MOH, F/2/7 for forwarding the enlightening communication which follows.
If anyone still believes John Kerry is an honorable Navy Veteran, the following should remove any remaining doubt.
Thank God he did not attempt to enlist in our beloved Marine Corps.
SAEPE EXERTUS, SEMPER FIDELIS, FRATER INFINITAS
"Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever"
United States Marine Corps
The IceMan
howard mason
Even I'm getting tired of learning all of the rotten stuff about Kerry but it's best that we know. I pray that many Kerry supporters are beginning to understand why he would not serve the nation well.
John Kerry does not want his service record questioned. This is the reason why.
Subject: Hanoi John's Military Service On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive . On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. 3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam. 4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA. 5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath . to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"
My question, with the U.S. Navy now looking into kerry's records, can they recall him to active duty and court martial him for his treasonous meetings with the N.V.A. and Viet Cong representativea????
Not likely they would, but could they????
From a fried:
As a member of the inactive Reserve, we don't believe that Kerry has a drill obligation or was subject to the UCMJ.
See:
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=notAWOL
ALSO:
THIS theory, IS certainly testable.
Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis
Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis
The record is puzzling. Why would Kerry claim hero status and then refuse to allow us to see his record and allow every reader to confirm his claims? Why, even in war time, does Kerry’ service in the USNR appear to stretch from 1966 to 1978, 12 years? How does one explain the strange irregularities (multiple citations for his Silver Star) and inconsistencies in the Kerry military records that are available? Why does the 6 year (plus six month?) USNR obligation begun by Kerry in 2/66 appear to end in 1/70 again, in time of war, even though available records seem to indicate that the terminal date of his reserve obligation was 17 Feb 1972? Why are the documents that should be available, not there? The answers to all these question may be linked and surprisingly obvious. My thesis would be very easy to disprove (if it is false) by simply releasing Kerry’s entire military record.
Even if you include a lot of puffery and self-promotion, Kerry’s in-country record in late 1968 and early 1969 was exceptional and one to be admired and honored. But, for reasons we do not yet understand, in roughly late 1969, Kerry turned bad.
In late 1969, Kerry asked for an early release from “active duty”even though he had re-upped to serve on active duty until August, 1970. He said he wished to enter the democrat party primary, held in September, 1970 in Massachusetts, to be a candidate for Congress for the Third District. He was detached from active duty effective 4:00 PM, 2 January 1970 and specifically reminded the he assumed “... The status of a member of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty.”
The paper trail of available Navy records disappears for almost 8 years. In March, 1970, Kerry drops out of the Congressional primary in favor of the notorious Father Drinan, Dean of Boston College Law School (where Kerry later attended law school, 1973-1976). From early, 1970 through the Summer of 1973, Kerry takes part in activities involving war protests, meeting in Paris with Viet Cong representatives and the leadership of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. These activities, some of which may have been legal, were of very questionable patriotism for an honest citizen of the US but certainly inappropriate for a US Naval officer.
That’s pretty much fact. Now, the thesis that explains the rest of the mysteries. I believe that Kerry was court martialed in the early 70s or otherwise terminated from the USNR under conditions other than honorable. Whatever actually happened represented a stain on Kerry’s record that might not have been taken lightly even by voters in Massachusetts.
Then, on January 21,1977, Democrat President Jimmy Carter (POTUS - January 20,1977 - January 20,1981) gave a blanket pardon, in Proclamation 4483, to certain offenders as follows:
“Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.”
Thus, if my thesis is correct, Kerry’s offense must have occurred between 2 January 1970 and March 28, 1973. My thesis suggests that during 1977, Kerry made application for full pardon under the administrative procedures promulgated by the Office of the Pardon Attorney, Department of Justice. He almost certainly sought and received the support of Massachusetts Senator Kennedy who had much clout in the Carter administration. Kennedy may have been responsible for suggesting that the records of such a fine young man be embellished by Citations from the Secretary of the Navy, rather than a mere admiral, and in other details not yet known.
In my hypothesis, Kerry’s request for full pardon was granted. Kerry applied for his military records to be corrected accordingly, and applied for an honorable discharge. The Secretary of the Navy wrote to Kerry on Feb 16 1978, enclosing an Honorable Discharge Certificate and stating:
“This action is taken in accordance with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened ... to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty and determine whether they should be retained on the rolls of the Reserve Component or separated from the naval service pursuant to Secretarial instructions promulgated in reference [c].”
The reference, “[c],”is to “BUPERSMAN 3830300.” A Google search did not provide any information regarding the text of this provision. But, this might explain why he was discharged 12 long years after enlistment.
This hypothesis explains the inconsistencies in Kerry’s record and makes it clear why he acts like a three card Monte dealer in insisting that we watch his time in Nam very carefully and not pay attention to what happened afterward. It is exactly the position Benedict Arnold took with respect to what happened at West Point and afterward.
Proofs? Well, no. Certainly, the official USNR file on Kerry would quickly prove or disprove my thesis. Kerry refuses to sign a Standard Form 180 authorizing the Navy to release it, suggesting that Kerry has much more to lose by showing his records than by continuing to conceal material information. Kennedy? Not likely that his office would say anything that might negatively effect Kerry even though it might be in the nation’s best interest. It is, after all, Kennedy. The US Navy? It is unlikely that the Navy would, of its own volition, risk alienating a sitting US Senator and a man who might be the next CinC. Kerry’s first wife, Julia Thorne, who went to Paris with Kerry when he met with the Viet Cong, and her brother, David H. Thorne, certainly might be able to add facts but, would the old timey, ultra-left wing, liberal media even ask them?
But, there is a another possibility. Many aspects of the Presidential Pardon/Clemency process are matters of public record, in the Department of Justice. If Jimmy Carter pardoned Kerry, there should be a public record that Kerry shouldn’t be able to conceal. An applicant appears to be told in the application process:
"A record of each Certificate of Pardon will be maintained in the Office of the Pardon Attorney as an official record, together with your application form and any other documents compiled in the course of processing your request. The Pardon Attorney may disclose the contents of such files to anyone when the disclosure is required by law or the ends of justice. In particular, public record documents that may be compiled in the course of processing an application, such as the judgment order from the criminal case for which pardon is sought, trial or sentencing transcripts, court opinions, and newspaper articles, are generally made available upon request by third-parties (including representatives of the news media) pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, unless such disclosure could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of the petitioner's personal privacy. In addition, unsolicited Congressional correspondence is treated in the same manner. On the other hand, non-public documents that may be compiled in the course of processing an application, such as the application form itself, are not generally available under the Freedom of Information Act."
The DoJ procedures indicate:
"Publicly available information for which a FOIA request is not required:
Publicly available information: Executive clemency statistics from the administration of President McKinley to the present; rules governing the pardon attorney and petitions for executive clemency published at 28 C.F.R. §§ 0.35-36 and § 1.1 et seq.; forms for applying for executive clemency; publication: Civil Disabilities of Convicted Felons: A State-by-State Survey (October 1996); copies of clemency warrants and proclamations for persons who have been granted executive clemency; description of clemency procedures contained in United States Attorney's Manual at § 1-2.110 et seq.; whether an individual has applied for executive clemency and action on such application."
Thus, I would urge any individual or member of the media with an interest in learning the truth about Kerry’s total military record to contact/visit the Office of the Pardon Attorney, Department of Justice and inquire whether there are any records for John Forbes Kerry. Check variations of Kerry’s name (intentional misfiling?), things like “John Kerry Forbes.” Kerry’s Social Security Number appears to be shown, unredacted, on a 17 Dec 1970 document in his file but his Military ID number is not known. Finally, don’t limit inquiries to actions under Proclamation 4483, President Carter may have taken some clemency action because key party members may have required him to. Finally, From a reading of the above, it appears that certain information should be available on a “walk in” basis and other information must be requested via FOIA application.
"The offices of record are :
FOIA Contact:
Samuel T. Morison, Attorney Advisor Office of the Pardon Attorney 4th Floor, 500 First Street, N.W. Department of Justice Washington, DC 20530-0001 (202) 616-6070
Conventional Reading Room:
United States Department of Justice Office of the Pardon Attorney 4th Floor, 500 First Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20530"
Several observations: It is indeed unfortunate that a man who would be President, so distrusts the American public and his own background that he hides material information in his military records in the hope of hornswoggling the electorate, of tricking us into believing he is one thing when, in fact, he may be another. Second, the above process should have long ago been followed by the media. It is also unfortunate that most of the traditional media are far too interested in electing Kerry to bother with doing any fact finding or reporting of information that might dissuade the electorate or present the truth.
Proof? Again, no, no proof, but as long as Kerry in his arrogance, refuses to trust Americans, we have the right to make assumptions about his dishonesty, mendacity and refusal to be candid and to assume that he uses similar duplicity with respect to other matters, as well. The above represents my current best guess about why Kerry is being dishonest and what he is hiding.
As a member of the inactive Reserve, we don't believe that Kerry has a drill obligation or was subject to the UCMJ. See:
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=notAWOL
No, I don't believe so. Yhe 6 years included both the active and reserve status. That's the way my enlistment was.
Read Post 62 posted on 09/06/2004 6:14:44 PM PDT by crushelits
Thanks for the ping.
I found it painful to try to get through it. So what's the point?
Check out paragraph 3 of:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf
I received a similar order, and never, ever heard from the government until my Inactive Reserve time was up, at which time they gave me my Honorable Discharge.
...Regardless, I hope you saw #34 & #36 as well.
I have no idea. I don't know if there is a statute of limitations.
Thanks for the ping!
'bout time you joined, and good work.!
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff
Pitkin Affadavit
AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN
STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH
Before me, the undersigned authority, personally appeared Steven J. Pitkin, known, to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to this instrument, who, after first being duly sworn by me, upon oath stated:
1. My name is Steven J. Pitkin. I am over the age of twenty-one years, and I am fully competent and able to make this affidavit. I am able to swear, as I do hereby swear, that all facts and statements contained in this affidavit are true and correct and within my personal knowledge.
2. I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, having served with the Ninth Division of the U.S. Army beginning 25 May 1969. A mortar explosion wounded me, my wounds gradually became infected, and I was treated in an Army hospital in Okinawa. I contracted hepatitis C from blood transfusions I received during that time. I was honorably discharged from the Army on 28 August 1969.
3. Medals received for my Army service include: Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal, Purple Heart.
4. During my service in Vietnam, I neither witnessed nor participated in any American war crimes or atrocities against civilians, nor was I ever aware of any such actions. I did witness the results of Vietcong atrocities against Vietnamese civilians, including the murder of tribal leaders.
5. Upon my return to the United States I encountered anti-war protestors who, at various times, threw feces, spit, and screamed obscenities.
6. I met Scott Camil, an organizer of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at Catonsville Community College in Baltimore in 1970, and joined that organization.
7. In January of 1971, I rode in a van with Scott Camil, John Kerry, a national leader of the VVAW, and others from Washington D.C. to Detroit to attend the Winter Soldier Investigation, a conference intended to publicize alleged American war crimes in Vietnam. Having no knowledge of such war crimes, I did not intend to speak at the event.
8. During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue.
9. In April 1971, I attended a VVAW protest in Washington D.C. known as “Dewey Canyon III.” During this event I was present when protestors, including John Kerry, threw medals and ribbons over a fence outside the U.S. Capitol. I witnessed a man holding a bag of ribbons and medals and handing them out to other protestors. I saw that many of the ribbons and medals were not those that would be received by veterans of combat in Vietnam.
10. During the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, others and I confronted protestors who were wearing or carrying Vietcong flags.
11. After the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, I was no longer invited to meetings of the VVAW in Baltimore, and ended my association with the organization.
12. I joined the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, was graduated from paratrooper “jump school” with honors in 1976, joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until my retirement in May 1997.
(signed) Steven J. Pitkin
Further affiant saith not.
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 31st day of August, 2004.
Jonathan Feldman
Commission # DD235268
My commission expires July 28, 2007
Here's Kerry's DD 214:
found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf
Here's another from the same time frame:
found at: http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg
Go to block 25 on Kerry's 2nd DD 214. What do you see in the section for "Education and Training Completed?" Nothing. Not even college, much less his swift boat school. Not even an "NA" or "NONE." My DD 214 from the Marines listed a variety of schools and training as did Pitkin's. I wonder if the person who filled this out didn't know how to put that information into the block (or that it was needed).
I was a corporal in the Marines when I got out. Typographical errors weren't allowed. The clerk had to redo the form. It had to be perfect. Kerry's DD 214 has typos in block 24 (decorations, etc.). And he was a Naval officer (first class treatment and all that). Pitkin's DD 214 had an error on it and the clerk made Pitkin initial it. Perhaps no big deal, but it looks odd.
Kerry's block 27a wasn't checked (either "Yes" or "No"). It should have been. Mine was. So was this one:
found at: http://www.cse.psu.edu/~glasgow/graphics/dd214c.jpg
Kerry's decorations don't include the word "medal." Mine did. Pitkin's did. Glasgow's did. This is a Department of Defense form (not Navy) and there are things that are supposed to be in there.
In his decorations block (24) it also has the phrase (with a typo) "SEE ATTACHED SHEET." That's not how it was done. If there wasn't enough room in a block, the continuation went in the remarks block (30). Where's that attached sheet, anyway?
whoooooooo....something's fishy in denmark...
ed- what do you think about post #62?
crushelits - fascinating and I sure hope you ping me if there is any info about a folow-up on this...
NB - Swifties are supposed to have a news conference today (Tuesday) about something....
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent
After 2 years active I know I was transfered to inactive reserve (green card to pick card). Total time I believe was 6 years. In any event us folks with honest God fearing minds know John Kerry is a lier (pants on fire!). Now it is interesting how the media handles this. They need a close race to keep the populists interested. So they might just bury any bad news about John Kerry.
Regarding post #62:
Try this for a timeline if post #62 is correct (with additions from post #16 and the Kerry timeline thread):
January 20,1977 - January 20,1981: Carter pardons Kerry
February 1978: After Kerry was released from active duty in the Navy, he remained in the Naval Reserve until he was honorably discharged in February.
(Discharge papers were stamped on July 13, 1978.)
January 1985 John Kerry is sworn in as US Senator
January 25, 1985: LCDR D. W. Meyers, Office of Legal Counsel, Naval Military Personnel Command writes enclosure 1 to some letter. Enclosure shows key dates of service including transfer to Naval Reserve on 3 Jan 70.
24 May 1986: LCDR Schultz, Naval Military Personnel Command Liaison Office of the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis writes letter to Senator Kerry. Shows key dates of service and adds (inactive) to 3 Jan 70 transfer to Naval Reserve.
12 February 2001: DD215 (Correction to DD 214) issued
found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-215_Correction.pdf
The reason for the enclosure (e.g., what was that main letter all about) becomes more important. Something pretty important was being checked, and a lawyer from the Office of Legal Counsel had to be part of the reply (how many enclosures were there?). Was there a question as to whether the pardon was there and he could be sworn in?
Then a year later another records check is done. This time the transfer to the reserves indicates he went to the inactive reserves. Since this went directly to Kerry, he must have initiated the query.
The 2001 correction is just getting things cleared up about a few unit citations. Nothing unusual there (except, of course, not fixing the "V" on the Silver Star).
Much of this is supposition, of course.
RE: "George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent"
Oh I *DO* hope you are correct, but let's not get complacent. (I will be happy to attest to your having 'called it' on September 6, 2004, but personally, I'd prefer to see us all awake and aware until this is done, so that there are NO surprises, so PLEASE keep up the good fight.)
I think Bush should pardon Kerry for the anti-war activities. I bet that would get MSM attention as well as that of any undecideds.
How would Kerry handle that? Refuse the pardon? Any thing Kerry did would raise questions. He'd have to address his anti-war activities plus his medals. Maybe we need to start a national petition to request Kerry be pardoned so that only real issues remain to be discussed. Can you imagine going up to folks at Kerry rallies soliciting signatures?
And you thought the Democrats were already spun up. With Bush taking the high ground to remove any impediment, it places them in an interesting situation.
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