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Islamists in Russia – This is What They Did - Don't Wait for Alphabet Networks to Cover it - Graphic
Various | 9-3-04

Posted on 09/03/2004 11:38:01 AM PDT by tallhappy


A man carries an injured child who escaped from a seized school in Beslan, North Ossetia, Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. Commandos stormed a school Friday in southern Russia where hundreds of hostages had been held for three days, sending hostage-takers and their captives fleeing in a scene of chaos amid explosions and gunfire. More than 100 children were wounded in the assault, some running from the building naked and covered in blood. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)










An injured schoolgirl who escaped from the seized Russian school holds a cross in her hand in a hospital in Beslan, North Ossetia, Russia Friday, Sept. 3, 2004. Commandos stormed a school Friday in southern Russia where hundreds of hostages had been held for three days, sending hostage-takers and their captives fleeing in a scene of chaos amid explosions and gunfire. More than 100 children were wounded in the assault, some running from the building naked and covered in blood. (AP Photo/Musa Sadulayev)


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To: winodog

Actually, Islam is a bloodthirsty barracks religion, suitable only for depraved societies. It is fundamentally incapable of fostering democracy or protecting the rights of individuals. In short, it is thoroughly anti-Western, what was once politely referred to as Oriental. Tolerance for blood sports, the degradation of women and all the other evils that Islam celebrates are part and parcel of a culture based on a religion of hatred and violence.

islam (POA) is an intolerant cult founded by a Jewish and Christian hating, child molesting pedophile, who was also a murdering thief. The followers of the cult bow several times a day to worship a meteorite in the sand and follow teachings from a hate filled screed based on moon worship written by a maniac. The sword and death are used to induct new cult members and remove non-believers. Women of the cult are treated as sub-human slaves whose worth is measured by the pleasure they give men and by the children they produce for the cult. Beheading, stoning, clitoral cutting, limb chopping, and self-mutilation maintain discipline within the cult.


441 posted on 09/04/2004 5:39:25 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: Cronos
Saudi A, Pakistan, hit hose first and watch the rest crumble. If they don't, then smash em

Yes indeed. To get rid of roaches, clean out the central nests.

442 posted on 09/04/2004 5:42:52 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization β€œis the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: B4Ranch
I don't trust gazeta.ru It's like CBS here, only worse.
Both itar-tass.com and BBC report "322 (bodies) had been so far recovered, 155 of them children" "These are not the final figures, and they will probably grow, but not by too much,"

An important point from BBC, covered up by the US media:
"Commandos went into action after a series of explosions inside the school, at least one of which appears to have been the accidental detonation of a bomb planted by the militants."
443 posted on 09/04/2004 6:20:56 AM PDT by silversky
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To: silversky

Heres my thoughts. President clinton by bombing the Serbs, bombed the wrong people! He tried to defend Muslims, we all know how they thanked us. I think what the Serbs were doing, we now need to do. Cleanse the whole GD region. Thats right. Kill all and move all back to where they came from. Really, we are'nt dealing with human beings here folks. If I were a Russian father, I would go out tonight, and kill as many muslims as I could. I'm serious. Think of me what you will. F'em. I hate-em.


444 posted on 09/04/2004 6:28:32 AM PDT by Atlanta ( Be the hammer or the anvil...)
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To: kapn kuek

IslamIs descended from one of the earliest Christian heresies -- Arianism. This taught that Christ was NOT God and a lot of other rot. Mad Mo took this (the Arians had fled from the Catholic-Orthodox world and were living in and around Makkah), he also took stuff from the Jews living htere and from the Zoroastrians and from the Arab pagans (who worshiuppied Allh, the moon god and Allh's daughters.) and created his mis-mash cult


445 posted on 09/04/2004 6:31:15 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Southack
Demand that our teachers be allowed to be armed, even if they have to be deputized.

Amen to that. Terrorists know we are all unarmed.

446 posted on 09/04/2004 6:57:12 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: tallhappy
Did you know that besides the terrorists being Islamic and had Arabs with them, and that this town and school is Christian?

This town and it's people (it's school children) are not actively (at least I don't believe) involved in the whole Russian - Chechyen thing? They were targeted by Islamo-nazis because they are Christian and not because they have persecuted or slaughtered Chechyens.... The mainstream media will not tell you this.

These Chechyens (or Islamo-nazis) are not "rebels" "militants" "insurgents" "freedom fighters" "breakaway separatists" fighting for a free Chechnya. That is total media crap. These are Islamist living in Russian land (like we have in Detroit or Los Angeles) who are fighting and terrorizing their surrounding countrymen. In reality, it's just like the Balkans with the Christian Serbs and the Islamic Croatians or Albanians? So, the same could happen in Detroit or LA or elsewhere where Islamics are in large numbers, who might try to become a separate country/state/entity?? right here n the U.S.A.

It has already happened in Belgium. It is going to happen in France and Germany and Spain for sure...the Islamics want to reclaim land they believe they lost in Spain when they were driven out.

So, bottom line, coming to a city near us? As Drudge says: "Developing..........................."

448 posted on 09/04/2004 7:32:15 AM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime membership of the "Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: fire_eye
The Romans did not do this out of savagery, but because they had determined over the course of hundreds of years that this such measures were the only effective means of causing barbarians to fear Rome enough that they would stop committing depradations on the fringes of the Empire.

You're exactly right. The Romans did this way before they were an empire, as well. At the conclusion of the Punic Wars with Carthage in Northern Africa they completely levelled the city & sowed salt everywhere - while they were still a Republic.

449 posted on 09/04/2004 7:37:56 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: cabo
Our children cant pray out loud for fear of hurting someones feelings but she can wear that garb in our USA schools. Sorry but if our kids have dress codes, so should she.

Oh, brother. If I were you, I'd talk to the principal and school board members, and see if this teacher is in violation of any regs. This isn't a "religious freedom" issue - if a teacher came to work in an SS uniform, you can be sure he'd be stopped. This is no different.

450 posted on 09/04/2004 7:40:00 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: tallhappy

Why are so many of these children only wearing underwear or in some cases nothing at all? Were these monsters molesting them? These pictures remind me of ones such as the little girl being rescued from the well in Texas, the little girls body being carried by the fireman after the Oklahoma City bombing and others that most Americans would recognize. I have only seen tame ones by the MSM. I guess it doesn't fit their agenda.


451 posted on 09/04/2004 7:46:04 AM PDT by jamaly (Jesus And Momma Always Love You)
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To: silversky

Who's defending anyone?

I've read and followed this story from the onset, here's what I've read, heard, and seen on the media:

They've called them "separatists"...they are.

They've called them "terrorists"...they are.

They've reported the presence of Arabs, and reported the connection to Al Qaeda.

They've accused them of murdering innocent people, and they've shown the graphic images.

I criticize the media when warranted, but I do not when it isn't warranted.

You people set up this bull$hit standard that unless your exact phrases are used, they're not reporting things properly, and since every one has a different concept of what they should say, the media is always wrong.

Well, the story has been fully reported by the media for once, and that's a fact.

Now, I'm in South Florida sitting here with a hurricane just off the coast, and this story was on the front page of every newspapaper down here.

This time, the media is doing a decent job of reporting an event.


452 posted on 09/04/2004 7:59:50 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Slip18

Hey!

Just starting to feel the first serious weather; my in-laws just lost electricity, and so have some of my friends in Palm Beach County.

I have my batteries charged up on my laptop, and so far, my wireless Internet connection is running.

Now, all I can do is ride this thing out.


453 posted on 09/04/2004 8:03:03 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: roadrunner96

I don't expect Al Jazeera to report the truth; do you?

What Russian media is reporting is that Putin himself said that a number of them were Arab mercenaries and connected the Chechen terrorists to Al Qaeda.

I'd say that on this instance, the U.S. media is doing a fairly good job.


454 posted on 09/04/2004 8:11:08 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: B4Ranch; All

Babelfished version of the story, from the site (gazeta.ru) on the School hostage crisis/aftermath:

(Note: the word 'killed' was translating to 'killed', so I changed each instance to say 'killed' otherwise, text is unedited)

The total number of hostages killed in Beslane reached 460 people. And most likely, this number still will increase. Physically suffered more than 600 of 700 people, brought out by spasatelyami from the building of the exploded school. How much remained under the obstructions of gymnasium, until it is unknown.

To 12 mornings of Saturday, according to unofficial data of the Ministry of Public Health of North Osetia, the total number of those be killed in Beslane reached 460 people. Immediately the bodies of 250 of those be killed took out of the school. The representatives of operational staff at night reported on this, and "gazete..Ru" in the morning confirmed the official representatives of the Ministry of Pub. Health of republic. But within the night of spasateli they dug up from under the obstructions of the school of 60 additional bodies. As reports correspondent "gazety..Ru" from the place of events, body, which now very accurately take out from under the brought down roofing of sport hall, strongly they was charred and they were disfigured by explosion. They obtain also many fragments of bodies.

According to the unofficial information MVD, to 10 mornings were found 80 additional people (or the fragments of their bodies), thus. The agency Of "interfaks" with the reference to the sources in the Ministry of Pub. Health reported to noon that spasateli extracted from under the fragments of gymnasium and other accomodations of the destroyed school of the body of 70 additional humans.

Thus, the total number of people, which they today reached from under the fragments, composed 210 people. But a quantity of those be killed - 460. And it is possible that this number still will increase.

As they reported in the Ministry of Pub. Health of republic, among those be killed are children, the parents, the teachers of school, and also the colleagues of the primary structures, which participated in the release of hostages. In particular known that perished 10 Special Forces soldiers and two colleagues OF MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY], and in the hospital of Vladikavkaz be situated 18 injured Special Forces soldiers even two spasateley MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] of Russia.

In the Ministry of Pub. Health they do not exclude, that the number of those be killed can increase after the final selection of obstructions, which, until now continues in the exploded school.

Are thus far, according to the data OF UFSB of republic, identified bodies of approximately 100 people, of them almost 20 children.

As reports correspondent "gazety..Ru", identification is passed very heavily, documents many be killed with themselves do not have, they were without the outer clothing, since in the hall, where they held hostages, it was very oppressive.

Furthermore, many bodies are disfigured by explosion and they practically cannot be identified without conducting of examinations. 12 is hour in the center Beslana it takes place the meeting of the relatives of the hostages, who could not find their relatives neither among the victims nor among those be killed.

The lists all of those disappeared without the news will be comprised. According to the latest data MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] of Russia, during the assault the colleagues of ministry derived 704 hostages.

Some of that rescued did not need medical aid; however, the majority of people it was necessary to hospitalize. Into the hospitals first burn 556 injured, including of 332 children.

According to the head physician of beslanskoy hospital, 328 people they transported to Vladikavkaz. But in the hospital Of beslana remained only heavy patients. Those, who obtained easy injuries, after rendering aid were sent by physicians home. Even heavier patients immediately after evacuation from school they transported to Vladikavkaz.

Let us recall that ambulances it did not be sufficient. Therefore for the removal of injured was used entire hereabout particular motor transport confronting.

Among the victims in essence of woman and children. Almost all children were undressed, women barefoot. As they reported "gazete..Ru" in KBSP of Vladikavkaz, among the victims there are very many people disfigured by explosions.

As doctors say, physicians fear that among the patients there can be the injured fighters. The personalities of victims cannot be established thus far, because many of them be in unconscious state, and they do not have documents.

As reported "gazete..Ru" physicians in the republic clinical hospital of Vladikavkaz, patients it entered "much more than they speak on the television". But precise numbers name they cannot.

According to the data of Ministry of Pub. Health to 12.00 msk of Saturday, in the hospitals of Vladikavkaz be situated 437 suffered, in Beslane - 50 additional people. Among those hospitalized - 258 children.

In Respublikansoky to the children's clinical hospital of Vladikavkaz be situated 195 injured children, in the republic clinical hospital - 41 people, including of 13 children, in the clinical hospital of first aid of Vladikavkaz 120 people (at night doctors they transferred to the dispensary treatment 88 most easily ranennykh).

The ardonskeye district hospital entered one person, one more - into The the alagirskuyu, into the clinic of the North Osetian state medical academy (SOGMA) The ardonskeye district hospital In the railroad hospital of Vladikavkaz of eight people.

Known also that in Beslane in the district hospital in the evening were located more than 200 people, now there (, in addition according to the data of Ministry of Pub. Health) remained about 50 seriously wounded.

True, according to representative minzdrav, besides 420 freed hostages suffered about 50 colleagues of primary structures.

They obtained injuries in the course of operation on the release and now they are located in the military hospitals and other therapeutic establishments of republic. So that they coincide taking into account 88 tempered numbers of hospitals and Ministry of Pub. Health.

According to the data of doctors, the majority of victims obtained mine-explosive injuries, contusion, and also bullet injuries.

"very many women entered with the bullet injuries. Apparently, they covered the children, when they ran away, by themselves, and by them they shot at the back ", say physicians from the republic hospital of Vladikavkaz.

According to the data of the Ministry of Pub. Health of republic, within the night in the hospitals no one died, although the status of the health of many people - heavy. In the center of medicine of the catastrophes OF MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] of Russia To "gazete..Ru" they described that the first aircraft OF MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] with the injured departed into Moscow.

In all into the capital hospitals they brought six victims. It is known that among them at least three children and they all be in the heaviest state - for their treatment special equipment and best doctors is required. Therefore they were directed into the 9th and 13th children's clinical hospitals.

In the military hospitals, in particular in the hospital im. Viwnyovskiy, are prepared 100 cots, in the hospital im. Burdenko they also await victims. About 3.00 msk in the airport Of beslana landed two aircraft OF MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] of Russia, which brought to victim the brigade of capital pediatricians and several mobile resuscitation vehicles.

The colleagues of the hospital Of beslana will decide, who from the victims will remain in the city, and whom on the mobile resuscitation vehicles will have to deliver into Vladikavkaz.

From Daghestan into Beslan to Friday in the evening was directed the column of machines with the load of humanitarian assistance. For North Osetia left several motor vehicles with the medicines, the surgical dressings and the preparations the blood.The doctors of the center of medicine of the catastrophes, which already have an experience of rendering aid to victim as a result of acts of terror, accompany load. Donors in Beslane pass the blood.

As they reported "gazete..Ru" in the republic center of the blood transfusion, the day before at them arrived to return the blood of 308 people, on Saturday from the morning - 140 more.

Physicians note that those desiring to return the blood for the victims is not thus far begun less. As they declare in the center, the blood thus far will be sufficient for all victims; however, it will be necessary, also, after the first days of hospitalization. "desiring to return the blood entire street. Therefore we write them to Monday, Tuesday is further on the week so that the blood would be fresher ", they say in the center.

To the work the colleagues of the Red Cross were connected. Furthermore, as they reported in the center of medicine of the catastrophes OF MCHS [EMERGENCY AND DISASTER RELIEF MINISTRY] of Russia, on the spot works the director of center Sergey goncharov and 30 additional specialists from Moscow.

Furthermore, in Beslane be situated 46 psychologists, and also 11 workers of the center im. the Serbian, ready to render psychological assistance to victim, their relatives, and also to the families of those be killed. Psychologists call all, who was situated in the seized school, and those, who sharply survived this drama, to turn for help.

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My heart goes out to the Families and the Soldiers.

Terrorism is a diabolical evil that must be destroyed.

W_P

455 posted on 09/04/2004 8:14:07 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: wolicy_ponk
(Note: the word 'killed' was translating to 'killed', so I changed each instance to say 'killed' otherwise, text is unedited)

Uh- it was being translated to 'killeden' so I changed it to 'killed'. Thanks

456 posted on 09/04/2004 8:20:12 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: jamaly

The kids took off their clothes because the gym was intensely hot, even with all the windows smashed. It's still warm over there, and the body heat from about 1000 people can get quite intense.

On top of it, the hostage takers denied water to the hostages, as a sicko negotiating tactic. Those poor kids were burning up.


457 posted on 09/04/2004 8:54:39 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"They've called them "separatists"...they are.

Let me finish it up for you: "They are called "humans"...they are". Except that they aren't. So stop defending the media. It is killing you and your soul.
458 posted on 09/04/2004 9:07:05 AM PDT by silversky (Thinking is unthinkable to the Demoncrats. Like everything else.)
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To: tallhappy

BTT


459 posted on 09/04/2004 9:09:11 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: silversky

They are humans, your hyperbole notwithstanding.

They are committing inhuman acts.

My soul is just fine, thanks for your concern.

I don't require hyperbole to arrive at the truth of things.


460 posted on 09/04/2004 9:13:22 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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