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Cheney’s “five deferments.”
Sean Hannity Board ^ | Sept 3 | Bob Hyneman

Posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:01 AM PDT by Bob Hyneman

Cheney’s “five deferments.”

[b][color=orange]In the summer of 1967 D ick Cheney was a married 26 year old man with a daughter.[/color] [/b] Twenty-six year old men cannot be drafted but (gasp) he was married and had a daughter BEFORE he turned 26 and that means he had two deferments!!!

[b](Everyone who had a daughter in 1966 was draft dodger right?).[/b]

Anyway, a half-truth is as good as a truth to John Kerry, so all you need to know is the two deferments part right?

Except, that many many years before the draft, D ick Cheney had also - attended Community College - and then University. Since any slick lawyer-type can tell you transferring schools can legally be counted as two deferments, that brings the total to four. (Never mind that he acquired both of these [b][u]years[/u][/b] before Vietnam was a war, or had draft, or could even be found on the amp by most Americans).

So what is number 5? Well in 1965 the US sent its first contingent of 3,500 Marines to Vietnam. (The draft would begin in earnest in 1966-67), Only a few years earlier in 1964-65, that damn D ick Cheney began applying for graduate schools and grad school acceptance counts as another. (This time Mr. Kerry DID successfully count to five).

So, if you believe John Kerry’s version of events, D ick Cheney began dodging the Vietnam draft five (or six) years before troops were being drafted and sent there. (Look this is politics and ad hominem attacks are allowed but if that is the best you got then you ain't got ad hominems)

[b]The fact is that D ick Cheney: - was accepted to community college - was accepted to the U of Wyoming - was accepted to graduate school - was married - was an expectant father all MORE THAN A YEAR before the draft began.[/b]

I note here that Cheney was married and an expectant father both during grad school and after Kerry COULD count that as SEVEN deferments, (but that would imply the ability to count to seven).

I suppose a 26 year-old daddy with a graduate degree and a newborn daughter COULD have volunteered to go to Vietnam, but I don’t think it is altogether honest to portray him as a draft dodger, do you?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cheney; draft; draftdodger; kerry; vietnam
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To: Austin Willard Wright; sinkspur
The American volunteer military had plenty of troops to do the job. This was not true in Vietnam.

Once again you are wrong:

Again:

Of the 26.8 million men who were eligible for the draft between 1964 and 1973, only 2.2 million were drafted while 8.7 million joined voluntarily, according to "Chance and Circumstance: the Draft, the War, and the Vietnam Generation," a 1978 book by Lawrence M. Baskir and William A. Strauss. Mr. Cheney was among the vast majority of 16 million men " about 60 percent of those eligible " who avoided the draft by legal means.

201 posted on 09/06/2004 3:43:03 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Bob Hyneman

Thank you for clearing that up.

Even if your html didn't work.


202 posted on 09/06/2004 3:43:57 PM PDT by The Mayor (Daily work done for God takes on eternal value.)
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To: Howlin

It's pure media obfuscation. The real issue is the number of soldiers drafted and sent to Vietnam in each year from 1964 to 1975. Volar (Vol Army) started in approximately 1970-71. I know because I joined in 1970 under the old system...my first pay check was about 90 bucks a month.

Volar kicked in while I was at Ft Myer in DC in '71. My pay went from that 90+ all the way up to about 180 bucks in one fell swoop. Then it got kicked again when I got to Germany in 1972...up into the mid 300's if I remember correctly. That was when the mark/dollar ratio was about 4.5 to one. The Volunteer Army was off and running and the draft stopped dead in those years...maybe 1973 or 74...I don't exactly remember.

If Cheney was 26 in 1969 then he was ineligible by age in 1970. If he was married with a dependent in 1969 then he was ineligible by virtue of that family with dependents.

The draft didn't really heat up until about 1966 or 67 so there was really only a 2 year window for the man to have had his number come up.

Not every eligible was drafted in those years. I'm interested in how they chose which names to send letters to. They were using a lottery in 1968 and 1969 I'm sure because I remember my birthdate number being below 100 each of the two years before I was eligible (1970.)


203 posted on 09/06/2004 3:44:17 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: wideawake; Mo1; Darlin'; texasbluebell
I think the point is that, although Vice President Cheney is apparently a bad guy for opting to stay home with his wife and daughter instead of volunteering, the unmarried Senator Edwards, with no family at home to support, is a great guy even though he didn't volunteer either

I think you're got it!

204 posted on 09/06/2004 3:45:48 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Howlin
Kerry had four student deferments, and only enlisted in the Naval Reserve (not the Navy) when his fifth student deferment was denied.

My husband served in Naval Air Reserve and spent 18 months in Japan... so how did Kerry only spend 4 months? oh, yes, he was injured???

205 posted on 09/06/2004 3:47:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: wideawake
They certainly didn't give Clinton, who at least openly *opposed* the war, a pass.

Perhaps that's because Clinton actually DID receive his draft notice and just up and left the country?

206 posted on 09/06/2004 3:51:12 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
but what he did in avoiding the draft was perfectly legal as well....

An absolutely lie.

207 posted on 09/06/2004 3:52:26 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Great response!!! Just great!


208 posted on 09/06/2004 3:55:32 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Samwise; Mo1
And Kerry was back here screaming about the war being immoral and soldiers were baby killers. They were encouraging people to go to Canada, for goodness'sake. You are a brave, moral, principled war protester if you go to Canada, but you are a draft-dodger duty shirker if you get a legitimate deferment? My head is going to explode!

Preach it!

209 posted on 09/06/2004 3:56:59 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I'd almost bet my house that Kerry KNEW how to get out.


210 posted on 09/06/2004 3:59:58 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: xzins

http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwatl.htm

That's troop numbers; maybe we can find the number elgible v. the number drafted somewhere.


211 posted on 09/06/2004 4:01:35 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: xzins
When did the Viet draft begin, or were they drafting people into the military continuously, but at a low level, since Korea?

Not sure if your question has been answered as I've not read the entire thread.... But here's some statistical data on the Selective Service Inductions going back to WWI....

INDUCTION STATISTICS

The following shows the numbers of men who entered military service through the Selective Service System during major 20th century conflicts in which the U.S. was engaged.

Conflict and Number of Inductions:

WWI: (Sept. 1917-Nov. 1918) 2,810,296
WWII: (Nov. 1940-Oct. 1946) 10,110,104
Korea: (June 1950-June 1953)  1,529,539
Vietnam: (Aug 1964- Feb 1973) 1,857,304

 

Inductions (by year) from World War I through the end of the draft (1973)

Year: Number of Inductions

1917:
1918:
1940:
1941:
1942:
1943:
1944:
1945:
1946:
1947:
1948: 
1949:
1950:
1951:
1952:
1953:
1954:
1955:
1956:
1957:
1958:
1959:
1960:
1961:
1962:
1963:
1964:
1965:
1966:
1967:
1968:
1969:
1970:
1971:
1972:
1973:

516,212
2,294,084
18,633
923,842
3,033,361
3,323,970
1,591,942
945,862
183,383
0
20,348
9,781
219,771
551,806
438,479
471,806
253,230
152,777
137,940
138,504
142,246
96,153
86,602
118,586
82,060
119,265
112,386
230,991
382,010
228,263
296,406
283,586
162,746
94,092
49,514
646

The last man inducted entered the Army on June 30, 1973.
For more information about induction statistics, call Selective Service at (703)605-4100.

212 posted on 09/06/2004 4:13:07 PM PDT by deport (In politics, as in fishing, you don't have to be a genius. You just have to be smarter than the fish)
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To: Howlin

Cheney's heart condition is deferment #6 I suppose


213 posted on 09/06/2004 4:23:01 PM PDT by woofie (What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work? ...a stick)
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To: Howlin; Samwise
My head is going to explode!

I can relate .. you should see the emails I've been sending out

Kerry/Edwards is not going to get away with this

214 posted on 09/06/2004 4:34:16 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Howlin; wideawake

Thats it.


215 posted on 09/06/2004 4:40:38 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Howlin

Oh, I have no doubt.


216 posted on 09/06/2004 4:44:06 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Bob Hyneman
Did Dick Cheney ever APPLY for a deferment? We know that Kerry did.
217 posted on 09/06/2004 4:54:34 PM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947, but some are still hoping!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

F*ck you


218 posted on 09/06/2004 5:40:38 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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To: deport

Thanks, deport.

It looks like the bump up for Vietnam began in 1965 and ended about 1970. The nation was taking about 100,000 per year just for normal fill. It bumped up another 100,000 in 1965.

On to figuring out how they decided who got the lucky letters in 65-67 and 68-73.


219 posted on 09/06/2004 6:16:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins

The years prior to 1970 were based upon the system of usually the oldest available body without a deferment on the local draft board list got the call.... This is during the time of deferments, etc. Beginning in 1970 the lottery system was in effect..... The first lottery was held on Dec. 1, 1969 for those to be drafted in 1970 and included the birth years 1944 to 1950, if I remember correctly. There after the next birth year 1951's lottery was held for drafting in 1971... and so for each year up to the draft ended in 1973.......

The results for the four lottery drawings can be viewed here;

http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm


220 posted on 09/06/2004 6:34:30 PM PDT by deport (In politics, as in fishing, you don't have to be a genius. You just have to be smarter than the fish)
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