Posted on 08/30/2004 12:13:04 PM PDT by quidnunc
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"When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews"....
So I asked you.... IF there are people who are zionists and are not Jewish, like Christian Zionists? Isn't is possible that Zionism is an ideology and not a race?
and if it is an "idea" held be people of different races couldnt someone be aginst that idea without being a racist.... or an "anti-semite" if you prefer? Is that clear? What do you think?
Well that's nice
Act just like a liberal who call Bush a Nazi and call people names
You insulted his uncles who all served in combat in WWII and you think it is funny to insinuate they are Nazis
BTW the 2 liberal jews Bob Bechel and Mike Kinsley who worked with Buchanan said he isn't anti-semitic
If any body is willing to throw the Naze anti semetic tag around it would liberals
Is Pat anti Israel --Probably-- as a result of his days in the Nixon administration when Nixon was savaged by the liberal Jewish groups
He aslo deeply resents/resented what he believed to be the undue influence the Israeli lobby had on the congress
But you were shown up for your stupid remarks about his uncles and now stand by your position even though you have been had
Post 43
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Actually, it's likely a hoax, though the sentiment is his [Martin Luther King]. Jewish-History.com: "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend"
He [Martin Luther King]did say in a speach at Harvard
When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking anti-Semitism.
In the context of his speach, and the purported letter, he's absolutely right.
As to Isn't is possible that Zionism is an ideology and not a race? , of course Zionism is an ideology, the belief that it's proper for a Jewish nation to exist. It's never been associated with a any race.
Could someone be against that concept, without being a racist, as long as he's opposed to an American nation, open the borders, opposed to an Arab nation, a Russion nation, in fact any nation, sure, he might not be a racist.
If he's only opposed to the existance of a Jewish nation, likely he's an antisemite.
LOL!
If you are interested in Hitler, try reading "The Hidden Hitler". The author mentions the Toland biography, and has source material not included in the Toland book.
Medved doesn't have "a few million listeners" in a year.
Ping!
Sorta out of context don't you think. Pat meant on the scale of an empirical Japan, Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Islamic extremists can't even take over Turkey, and a sliver group was well regulated by Saddam's Iraq. Granted they took over Iran and Afghanistan only because the population is 99.9% subjucated Muslims.
Can they raise hell and extort billions? Yes, and Pat makes that point. Why paint Pat as a dummy, dummy?
I'm just childish enough regarding Pat Buchanan to look forward to the day I use his gravestone as a urinal.
http://451world.com/i4/hitler.html
On Jews
Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90) During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90)
In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)
Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction. Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)
Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)
After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90)
The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic Agency, 2/21/96.)
LOL! Unfortunately for pat, Medved has more people listening to him then voted for pat. All of whom had the pleasure of listening to pat make an arse of himself yet again today.
No, pat was very specific in his whining. According to pat Islamic Extremists don't pose a threat to this country.
You can't take a simple joke for what it is without getting offended. You're as humorless as any Liberal I've ever encountered.
But you were shown up for your stupid remarks.
Yes, you certainly showed me up all right.
There you go again with your weird zingers. You change horses right in the middle of a sentence.
Obvious facts. Medved has less people listening to him than listen to Pat.And more People voted for Pat than voted for Medved.
Listening from the left coast a few times and a few times when he filled in for Rush, way back, was an educational experience. I wish he were more available nationally and expanded beyond being basically a movie critic.
Read "Death of the West" and then read Bush's Immigration plan and tell me who the conservative is.
I guess that's why Medved sets his sights low and allows a bloated windbag like buchanan to come on his show and spew his Islamic Extremists appeasement BS.
I get it the old democratic trick if you disagree with a group, country, etc.. your branded a racist or in this case an antisemite. Pathetic. You cannot criticize Israeli policy without being called antisemitic. Don't pull that BS on me because I have numerous jewish friends that I socialize with and go on vacation.
Then the Orthodox rabbis in pre WWII Poland were the greatest anti-semites of all! (They would not like neocons either.)
Whether the quote comes from Reverend Kings Harvard speach, likely, or the letter, I don't think he'd agree with your conclusion.
pat is loosing it, he was jsut on greta (fox), disagreeing with going into iraq......THIS IS WHY HE NEVER GOT PAST BEING A TV JOURNALIST/BOOKWRITER....I LUMP HIM IN WITH RICHARD CLARK AND THE REST OF THE GLORY HOUNDS.
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