[Tacis]

Note - Please do not show this to any member of the neocummunist, ultra-left wing media. I'd hate to hand them a shot at the Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting when, I know, they in their legions are about to investigate and write about women not being involved with the Masters.

[Bob]

This revision is instructive because, in a letter dated 27 March 1969, Kerry was notified that he was “...eligible for the Vietnam Service Medal with 02 stars.” Thus, after more than 30 years, Kerry is paying close enough attention to the differences between his records and the official records to ask that the official records be changed (in his favor) by two bronze stars on a service ribbon (didn’t he say he threw that away?).

Both of Kerry's trips to Vietnam (Gridley and Swifts) overlapped into two separate campaign periods. He legitimately qualified for two stars on each of them for a total of four.

[aft_lizard]

I dont know, and maybe somebody with better knowledge than me can answer this. But if Kerry has 4 bronze stars like he says he should also have orders to that and or recognition letters for his service in such and such operation, such as mine for operation enduring freedom and operation iraqi freedom (WOT medal with one bronze star). Unless objectives are recognized.

[submarinerswife]

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[stockpirate]

There is one answer that I have been considering for some time.

In light of the fact that John Kerry violated several laws while in the Navy reserve it just may be possible that John Kerry may have been one of the informants the FBI and DOD had in VVAW.

Not much chance, but one option as to why he was not prosecuted.

[NoClones]

So, in other 'words', Kerry was AWOL for the last period of his military service, if one looks at this like a Democrat would look at the service record of a Republican.

Very, interesting!!

[tsmith130]

We don’t know if the Navy court martialed Kerry in the early 70s for a treason related offense...

I don't know military law but...wouldn't a court martial for treason be in the public record?

[vigilence]

I think you're on to something concerning his reserve time. I've always wondered how a reserve naval officer could comport himself and say the myriad things he said (re: his superiors complicity in war crimes) and not be called on it was uncharicteristic of the military as I knew it from1968-1972.

[NonValueAdded]

research bump

[Plutarch]

This language may be boilerplate or it may mean that a process preceded Kerry’s discharge.

A worthy line of investigation.

[Tannerone]

All info gleamed from any Kerry or anti-Bush site that has to do with Kerry military record has been extremely well edited!!!!!

I would guess Kerry has a police patrol going from site to site making sure each piece of information conforms to another of the same subject.

The facts will not be had while 100+ pages are still held by the military and cannot be released without the Form 180 signed by Kerry.

I see we have Kerry's 1968's crowd present in NYC. They look the same as they did in 1968. Life is good when your head is empty and the democrats are telling you when, how high, and what color poop to lay down.

Anyone notice the AP press actually has news clipping of this Barnes guy in Texas saying he did not help Bush get into the guard?

Seems Democrats are much better lier's.

There is the Torture Water King Teddy Kennedy
The Hildabeast
Slick Willie "Pipe Job" Clinton Dah Chill
And the Best of all Hanoi John Kerry

[Eastbound]

Many possible scenarios here. Unless proven otherwise, Kerry could claim he went to Paris as the official 'unofficial' negotiator for the State Department. The advance team. Another straw to grab when he comes up for air.

[GoLightly]

Wasn't there something in the Nixon tapes concerning Kerry? Could it be that the Nixon WH had the DoD keep him on? Republicans held the WH until January 20, 1977.

The "Honorable Discharge" was issued during the Carter years.

[Steven W.]

Thus, it appears that a Form 180 was not submitted, only a “request” for a specific list of documents included in the overall record.

That is correct - it was an official response by the Navy, in the form of a letter, to a specific request by Kerry in his 1986 election.

See more SUPPORTING POINTS & AUTHORITIES, II. Kerry avoided combat duty and officially joined the US Naval Reserve (like the National Guard)

[MizSterious]

Good research here. Thanks, Tacis!

[kabar]

Some of my own research re Kerry's reserve status, which I have shared with some of the media:

Kerry's Reserve status -- If you check Kerry's release from active duty orders, you will see that he was transferred into the Inactive Reserves and was not obligated to attend any drills. His only obligation was to keep the Navy informed of his whereabouts since he was subject to recall. On 1 July 1972 Kerry was transferred into the Standby Reserve (Inactive) and then received his Honorable Discharge on 16 Feb 1978. The Navy's 24 May 1986 letter to Kerry gives a good synopsis of Kerry's service.

I can recall a similar timeframe for my naval career. I had served almost eight years, but it was years later until I was finally discharged. I had a regular commission, but I was transferred into the Naval Reserves (inactive) and then Standby Reserves. I can recall that I was sent some sort of letter asking me if I wished to continue my service in the Standby Reserves. In any event, I wouldn't make too much of Kerry's status as he moved through the Reserve process.

There are several issues that need to be raised relative to Kerry's Reserve status. Kerry met with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris, per his sworn testimony before the Senate, while still being in the Naval Reserves subject to recall. He returned and advocated acceptance of the Communists' negotiating points. Kerry also participated in the VVAW as a national officer and was involved in the infamous Kansas City meeting where discussions were held about assassinating USG officials. The question is whether Kerry was violating the UCMJ by being involved in these activities while still serving in the Reserves and being subject to recall.

What I found curious on Kerry's initial website many months ago was the fact that he listed his military service as 1966-1970-Active Duty and 1972-78-Reserves. He conveniently left a gap between 1970-72, which I can only believe was done intentionally so as not to raise questions. Currently, his service timeline no longer includes his reserve service. Curiously, it ends with the following: April 29, 1970 Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service.

I have no idea what listed as a Registrant means because Kerry remained a member of the inactive Reserves until he was transferred into the Standby Reserves on July 1, 1972. This could be a smokescreen to inoculate Kerry from charges that he was giving aid and comfort to the enemy while still being a member of the Reserves. We definitely need more information on this one.

[pointsal]

Kerry, the gallant trooper.....phew...smelly thought

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Bryan24]

Stockpirate is on to something.

What is the M.O.(modus operundi) of a weasle like Kerry? Get in as good as you can with your bosses so that you can get attaboys.

What did Kerry do? Got in as good as he could. Wrote up flowery after-action-reports, making KERRY'S superiors look really good.

What has Kerry shown in the past 30 years? A BRAZEN ability to take completely diametrically opposed positions (War hero to anti-war peacenik to public warhawk).

The documents seem to indicate that Kerry re-uped for 6 years, although Kerry won't reveal that.

Here are two totally opposed thoughts on that:

1# - Stockpirate is correct. Kerry was acting as the mole in the anti-war VVAW movement. That would explain where some of that info was coming from. In that case, Kerry would TOTALLY betray he fellow anti-war comrades. But, so what? Kerry had already shown that he would betray his fellow comrades who were still in Vietnam.

2# - Kerry was arrested and charged with treason or conduct unbecoming. Fullbright and/or other powerful senators talked the Navy into covering it up. Part of the agreement was that Kerry had to re-up for another six-year hitch to keep him quiet. Notice that about 1972, his anti-war diatribes went away.

[GunRunner]

Ping.

[Wil H]

In an “Officer Candidate (OCS) Agreement between the United States of American, Department of the Navy and ...Kerry,” “The Obligor [Kerry] agrees to serve a total period of six years in the Naval Reserve of the United States Navy,

RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE RESERVE.

He volunteered for the navy RESERVE -Just like Bush volunteerd for The ANG.

Kerry did NOT volunteer for the Navy.

We need to get this message out.