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Kerry Stonewalling on Medals Mystery
Newsmax.com ^ | Aug. 29, 2004

Posted on 08/29/2004 9:27:56 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud

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To: SteveH
the propeller screws of Kerry's campaign boat are "curled and chipped"...?

Good, but not much fun to watch. You just get a little vibration and a few less knots.

61 posted on 08/30/2004 5:01:23 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Sapper26
But, Kerry seem's to care enough to get new citations in the 80's for his Bronze and Silver Stars. It does seem odd that he waited so long to update his DD-214.

Why would he need to update his DD-214?

BTW, what is a DD-214?

62 posted on 08/31/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Bob
he should only have 2 stars on the Vietnam Service Medal. Actually, that might be the only legitimate thing about his medals. He does qualify for 4 stars.

Is this article wrong then?

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201469/posts:

Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."

63 posted on 08/31/2004 8:25:22 AM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: ArmyBratproud

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64 posted on 08/31/2004 8:30:14 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: ArmyBratproud; Fedora

Medal mystery solved by freeper fedora!

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65 posted on 08/31/2004 8:32:29 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: jws3sticks

Judging by those pants, a deluge of biblical proportions was imminent.


66 posted on 08/31/2004 8:39:33 AM PDT by CoolPapaBoze
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To: tuesday afternoon
Is this article wrong then?

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."

Yes, they're wrong.

The transition between those two campaigns occurred during Kerry's Swift boat duty. The transition date between them was in late February 1969. He qualified for two stars based on serving during both of those periods.

What's being missed is that Kerry's Gridley cruise also overlapped two campaign periods: Tet Counteroffensive and Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase IV. The transition date between them was April 1-2, 1968. Those two campaign periods were in effect while Gridley was operating in the Tonkin Gulf so he qualified for the other two stars based on that time spent in-theater.

67 posted on 08/31/2004 8:44:58 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Thanks for the clarification.


68 posted on 08/31/2004 9:02:47 AM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Jenya; Owl_Eagle; presidio9; Eric in the Ozarks; Mudboy Slim; 4ConservativeJustices; TheBigB; ...
sKerry will do down in history as the presidential candidate who was disgraced over his war record.

Here's my theory:

Yesterday's little wind-surfing photo-op is the last live appearance we'll see of Kerry. He's been avoiding the media since the first week of August when the Swift Boat ads hit the air, and any other appearances he makes from here on out will be pre-recorded and delivered through Chris Matthews' "Hardball" show or al-Jazeera. In them, Kerry will be sitting awkwardly and stiffly (or even more so than normal), the audio and video won't match up, and his speech pattern will not be normal (as though what he says is composed of snippets from previous speeches and interviews).

I call this scenario...

Weekend at Boorda's!

69 posted on 08/31/2004 9:29:02 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; Owl_Eagle
Why would he need to update his DD-214? BTW, what is a DD-214?

I bin using that DD-214 stuff on my front lawn t' git rid of pests an' such. It werks good on the chiggers, but I still git salesmen and Yankees at my door sometimes! You know of anythin' more p'awrful 'n DD-214?

70 posted on 08/31/2004 9:34:36 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: HenryLeeII
I bin using that DD-214 stuff on my front lawn t' git rid of pests an' such. It werks good on the chiggers, but I still git salesmen and Yankees at my door sometimes! You know of anythin' more p'awrful 'n DD-214?

More powerful than DD-214? MaryLou gots a pair of D... oh, ... nevermind.

Once the oldest gal child started blossomin *had to wait till she was 13), we couldn't keep the salesman and all away. Then I started makin' 'em drink a bit of the ol' special brew - corn likker, hot sauce and branch water (I don't even drink it). If they said no I grabbed my shotgun an accused them of being prejudiced. They'd pop the cork, take a little swig, turn green, their hair'd stand stright up and they's pass out.

Ol' Red'd go over and start licking them on the face, sometimes he even slipped 'em some tung, they'd finally wake up, take on look at ol' Red, then take off breakin the hunnert yard dash record. Last'n I herd, a few had to be checked into the hospital over in Putnam County. They don't come back. I can send you a jug if you like, but ye gotta send over that asbestos blanket to wrap it in.

71 posted on 08/31/2004 11:00:24 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I can send you a jug if you like, but ye gotta send over that asbestos blanket to wrap it in.

Well, I gotta figger sumthin' else out, cuz Lucy May Belle came down with a bad case of the flu or sumthin' last week. Henry III sez its from playin' near the coolin' tower over at the nook'ler plant - he's all full o' hisself now that he done gradeate the sixth grade! Its just a cold or sumthin', but anyway, Lucy May Belle took to usin' the asbestos blanket fer the chills an' won't give it up now! My naybor got a El Camino with a tarp in the back - that may do the trick - he ain't never got caught when runnin' a load, so I may have t' borry it t' pick up a batch o' yer special brew.

72 posted on 08/31/2004 11:41:59 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: timestax

bttt


73 posted on 08/31/2004 3:42:49 PM PDT by timestax
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To: BykrBayb

Post of the year, sir.


74 posted on 08/31/2004 3:46:19 PM PDT by Swanks
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To: Swanks

Thank you M'am.


75 posted on 08/31/2004 4:15:00 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: CoolPapaBoze

JFK2 will soon know that a high tide is not going to float his boat. Good one. Bye bye, Johnnie boy.


76 posted on 08/31/2004 5:20:25 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Mother of ...! That's a whole can of whoopass in one little ol'picture.


77 posted on 08/31/2004 5:23:43 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: El Gato
The DD-214 shows him as a Lt(JG) while other documents say he was promoted to Lt (O-3) on 1 Jan 70. One document says he left active duty on 3 Jan 70, but the DD-214 shows the date of release as 01 March 70. Now he had 31 days of leave coming, again according to the DD-214, but that would only get him to early February if he took it as "terminal leave", which was the practice in those days when you couldn't get paid for unused leave.

If the Navy was like the Army in the mid to late '70s, if you did not stay on active duty for one year in your new rank, the promotion was not made permanent.

If he leave in 5-day increments so he wouldn't have to use it up on weekends, that would cover that time framce. Then the question would be did he actually sign in and out each week. I doubt it and his records on that should be demanded.

78 posted on 08/31/2004 5:39:53 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: timestax

bttt


79 posted on 09/01/2004 10:08:18 AM PDT by timestax
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To: connectthedots
If he leave in 5-day increments so he wouldn't have to use it up on weekends, that would cover that time framce. Then the question would be did he actually sign in and out each week. I doubt it and his records on that should be demanded.

But terminal leave doesn't work that way. You are released from active duty, you just continue to be paid. YOu neither sign in or sign out. You're just gone. You also continue to have access to the commissary and so forth, which is handy for re-stocking your new domicile I'll have to look at my own DD-214 to see how that was handled in 1975.

80 posted on 09/01/2004 11:04:14 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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