Posted on 08/26/2004 4:52:39 PM PDT by AuntB
I fully agree with and count myself among those who object in the strongest possible terms to criminals (and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what illegal aliens are) gaining access to US taxpayer funded programs intended to benefit taxpaying citizens. Schools, welfare, and social security are all high on the list of item off-limits to illegals.
But I wonder if the totalization agreement might be misrepresented or misunderstood.
Let me tell you my experience. In 1995 I went to Korea on an assignment for my long-term US employer. During the first few years I was in Korea, my employer deducted and paid my SS-OA and SS-HI, AND enrolled me in the Korean pension system as well, as was required by law.
In 1999 or 2000 a totalization agreement went into effect between the US and Korea. The effect of this was that my US employer no longer had to deduct and pay into the Korean National Pension plan on my behalf, ending the double taxation.
Similarly, Korean employees of Hyundai or Samsung working in the US no longer needed to contribute to the US Social Security system. Instead, their employers simply keep up their contributions to their home country retirement system.
Of course, those individuals are not entitled to get benefits fromt he US Social Security System any more.
So, I wonder what is different about the Mexico case. It seems to me that under a totalization agreement, LEGAL Mexicans working in the US for Mexican companies would contribute to the Mexican system, whatever that is, and NOT the US Social Security system. Of course, if they are working for AMERICAN companies, then obviously they would be covered just as an American would be, and under all the same rules.
ILLEGAL aliens, i.e. criminal violators of our borders shold be elegible for nothing whatsoever.
I can't quite fathom where the huge additional monetary obligation comes from. Of course, if a MExican or any other national were to leave the US before qualifying for benefits, they shouldn't get any. After all Americans who fail to qualify under the rules don't get anything. Why should foreigners?
"Estimates vary, but even the lowest figures show adding illegal aliens to the Social Security rolls will cost the Social Security Trust Fund billions and billions of dollars. Seniors should ask why anyone would want to give those dollars to illegal aliens, draining funds available for Social Security and Medicare benefits, and reward those who break the law. "
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Blame it on Clinton holdover's at the State Department. Or, this could be justified as historically similar on a GDP basis.
Yes and when you are dead you may even get to vote three times dontcha know.
"citizen" is definately the key word. Remember when there used to be such a thing as being a good citizen.
Insanity reigns supreme ...
What more can be said, things are getting worse by the day.
Your post is logical, too bad you don't work for the SSA!
"After all Americans who fail to qualify under the rules don't get anything. Why should foreigners? "
This is a hard one to swallow and there are going to be a lot of shocked people, but here's another sad fact of the SSA. Say you are 45 years old. Paid into SSA for 30 years. Your parents are sick and old, so you take 5 years off to care for them. Boom!! Hit by a bus, crippled for life. Guess what......ONLY approximately the last 5 years (NOT the last 5 years worked....the last few years period ), count toward disability benefits....NONE of that 30 years count. NONE of it.
Americans need to get involved. Unless they vote these idiots out of office, this will continue.
"The Dems are traitors and the GOP is too, it would seem. Maybe it is time for an American Nationalist Party."
No - I did not know there was a Nazi group with this name already. I am NOT advocating their views.
"Seniors should ask why anyone would want to give those dollars to illegal aliens, draining funds available for Social Security and Medicare benefits, and reward those who break the law."
Not just seniors but those of us currently paying into this crap shoot who already don't anticipate seeing a thing. Providing to illegals will be adding insult to injury as it were. So much for those who said well we need more Mexicans to keep SS solvent (wrong headed position to begin with).
This is difficult to understand --- who came up with this 6 quarters idea? And the only illegals who pay into social security did so by committing felony document fraud --- use of stolen identification documents --- and why should they benefit from committing a felony crime? Or at least it is a crime if an American citizen commits it.
Apparently Mexico's pension plan is going bankrupt much earlier than ours so this is one big huge bailout so the elites won't be run out of power there.
"Sorry, that's a little too abstract an idea for me to wrap my mind around."
Most of our elected and non elected officials seem to understand it perfectly!!! Obviously it benefits them rather than us.
Yes especially since they didn't keep their own pension system solvent --- Mexico's social security type system is going under before our own does --- why would anyone possibly really think they can save ours when they couldn't save their own?
"nation collapsed because it became diluted with outsiders who didn't assimilate and never saw themselves as being Roman. I fear that we are heading down that same road, for the same reasons."
It does appear that way.
"Citizen" is so exclusive (sarcasm)."
We are mutli-cultural don't ya know? We used to be a melting pot.
"You're showing your age."
Hardly . . . I look pretty good for the age, of course I should, I am only 29 (last year I can honestly say that) :-)
Besides --- how can someone prove it was themselves and not someone else who was fraudulently using a stolen social security number? What happens when 10 illegals claim to have used the same number for the same 6 quarters? Do all 10 get full benefits?
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