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LIVE THREAD: John Kerry 1971 Testimony Before Senate Foreign Relations Cmte.
August 26, 2004

Posted on 08/26/2004 4:09:09 PM PDT by Howlin

On C-SPAN at 8:00 P.M. & 11:05 P.M. EDT



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; botoxcadaver; congenitalliar; cspan; jenjiskhan; johnwaynesynddrome; kerry; kerrytestimony; traitorousscum; vietnam; wintersoldiers
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To: listenhillary
You need to fix that

He was watching over my shoulder as I posted. He met my (late ) dad, and understands that my reasoning goes much deeper than his " feelings". He serves to remind me that we should " put not our trust in princes."

641 posted on 08/26/2004 6:28:04 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (Gen. Tommy Franks,"We owe it to Osama to kill him.")
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To: Dolphy

In case someone asks, here is a nice summary of the history time line.

A citizen's view opinion written by Diane L. Gruber

In recent months the Democratic presidential hopeful, John Forbes Kerry, has taken to calling the Vietnam War “Nixon’s War.” Misinformation and falsehoods repeated often enough over time “become” fact, particularly when the mainstream media fails to set the record straight.

Let’s examine the facts about “Nixon’s War.”

During the Eisenhower administration, which ended Jan. 20, 1961, America’s involvement in the conflict between the Communist North and the anti-Communist South was limited to providing economic and military advisors to assist the South Vietnamese government. There were no American soldiers, sailors or Marines in combat roles in Vietnam. Richard M. Nixon was Dwight D. Eisenhower’s vice president during his entire eight years in office.

When John F. Kennedy took office, 750 American advisors were in Vietnam. Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in as president following the Massachusetts Democrat’s assassination on Nov. 22, 1963. At that time, there were 16,000 American military advisors in Vietnam. The American death toll stood at just 612.

In early 1964, President Johnson ordered limited air strikes and sent in 7,000 additional advisors.

On Aug. 10, 1964, the Democrat-controlled House and Senate accepted Commander-in-Chief Johnson’s story that the USS Maddox had twice been attacked by North Vietnamese boats. Historians generally agree that Johnson lied to Congress about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in order to obtain authority to take a more aggressive approach against North Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolu-tion passed, with just two dissenting votes after two days of debate.

Under the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, Johnson ordered full-scale bombing of North Vietnam and sent the first ground troops to South Vietnam.

Shortly after the Texas Democrat beat Republican Barry Goldwater for re-election in November 1964, he announced new draft rules. Johnson’s plans to escalate American’s role in Vietnam required more cannon fodder. That is, more young men had to be drafted. Married men, who had been exempt under the old rules, became subject to the draft effective July 1, 1965.

My future husband’s childhood friend returned from Vietnam in a body bag in May 1966, the same time Kerry wrote to his local draft board requesting an additional 12-month deferment so that he could go to Paris. When the board refused, he enlisted in the Navy for a four-year term.

Johnson was still president.

By the middle of 1966 Americans were long since accustomed to tuning in to the nightly news broadcast on ABC, NBC and/or CBS to find out about the day’s combat action.

Johnson was still president.

By the summer of 1968, the number of U.S. troops in Vietnam had increased to 550,000 with an additional 70,000 offshore with the U.S. Seventh Fleet. My future brother-in-law was recuperating in a San Diego military hospital, sans his left arm. His Purple Heart was earned by picking up a live grenade in order to save six fellow-soldiers.

Johnson was still president.

Shortly after returning to Vietnam to command a six-man boat on the Mekong Delta, Kerry experienced his first intense combat action in December 1968. Americans were dying at a rate of 300 per week.

Johnson was still president.

When Johnson left office on Jan. 20, 1969 there were 540,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Vietnam. That’s 34 times as many as when he took office. Almost 38,000 Americans lost their lives during the five years Johnson held the presidency.

It is interesting to note that the media had continuously characterized Barry Goldwater as a war-monger when he ran against Johnson in 1964. Even when Johnson’s war policies significantly increased the number of young men returning to their loved ones in body bags, Americans received no apology from the media.

Shortly after taking office, President Nixon put a policy in place to reduce America’s involvement in Vietnam. In 1972 the last American ground combat units left Vietnam. The military draft was terminated in 1973.

When Nixon left office in August 1974, less than 40,000 American troops remained. The Republican administration of Gerald Ford continued the withdrawal policy, and the last U.S. military personnel exited Vietnam in April 1975.

Given the facts, shouldn’t the Vietnam War more accurately be called “Johnson’s War” or “the Democrats’ War?” Senator Kerry, you should think again before trying to distort history to gain votes. You are not the only American who remembers the Vietnam War.

Diane L. Gruber practices law in West Linn and is an elected member of the Oregon State Bar’s House of Delegates.


642 posted on 08/26/2004 6:29:18 PM PDT by snooker (Looks like the Swifties snookered the dims ...)
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To: Fedora
Walinsky drafted the speech and coached Kerry on its delivery

So THAT is how he got that PHONY accent!

643 posted on 08/26/2004 6:29:39 PM PDT by JOE6PAK (Tagline will return in HDTV this Sept. Check local listings.)
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To: Howlin
Norville is showing her true colors tonight. I will NEVER watch the liberal witch again.

Thank you, Howlin. She's history.

sw

644 posted on 08/26/2004 6:29:43 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: mylife

I think that's an area in Boston????


645 posted on 08/26/2004 6:29:54 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Howlin

In case you aren't watching it is a class in "Protester Legal Rights Training"....pretty boring.


646 posted on 08/26/2004 6:31:33 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: JOE6PAK
Walinsky

Who, what, where? Is he a dim? connected to whom?

It's obvious Kerry didn't write it. First I have heard of someone named who did.
647 posted on 08/26/2004 6:31:56 PM PDT by snooker (Looks like the Swifties snookered the dims ...)
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To: texasbluebell
 
 
 
 
It's clear to me that Fulbright was the instigator here, or he at least must have been in cahoots with the far left, and the vvaw, and other groups.
 
 
Sure - it was easy to notice how Fulbright and other Demos softballed the Q&A and were even accomidating towards kerry. They basically gave him a pass to make any claim, forward any allegation without hard scrutiny in return.
 
The times being as they were, the significance of this hearing flew right by most people's notice - particularly where kerry echoes almost word-for-word the North Vietnamese demands at the Paris talks.
 
Not so these days.
 
 
 
 
 

648 posted on 08/26/2004 6:33:43 PM PDT by DeBug=int13
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To: Howlin
The old man that plowed thru a Farmer's Market in L.A. a couple of years ago had more control of his car than Kerry does of this thing (SBV's for Truth).

It's an out of control fire being fought without any water.

649 posted on 08/26/2004 6:34:00 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: MEG33

Governor Moonbeam is far far superior to the run-of-the-mill Kerry supporter. He's got a sense of fairness, teeny and vestigial as it may be.


650 posted on 08/26/2004 6:34:30 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: Howlin

It is in Bhaaaastan. I just was wondering why Kerry chose to use an obscure Bhaastan reference even in his war story.

Jees what a blueblooded Asshat.


651 posted on 08/26/2004 6:34:34 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Howlin

City of Lowell and the town of Chelmsford.


652 posted on 08/26/2004 6:35:13 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: Finalapproach29er
He looks sincere in the testimony and from what I saw was never knocked off his high horse. I could see young minds being fooled again by this.
653 posted on 08/26/2004 6:35:42 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Howlin
Where did all that dark hair go?

...Long time passing.

654 posted on 08/26/2004 6:35:48 PM PDT by Graymatter (Bring it on, from Democratic "cut it out, waaaaaah")
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To: Howlin
Matthews was playing this "Jealousy" card last week, and again tonight, so I"m not to hear it cropping up from other supporters. You know, these blue collar has been vets are jealous cause Kerry's got money.

Yeah, that's the ticket!!

655 posted on 08/26/2004 6:36:09 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@Red Herrings Flying Out Chris Mathews Butt.com)
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To: mylife

Are you watching the nude protesters on C-Span?


656 posted on 08/26/2004 6:37:19 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: mylife; Howlin; All

Sean is destroying a lying POS who's Kerry's friend from the VVAW pal,Gregory.


657 posted on 08/26/2004 6:37:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: TBall
He looks sincere in the testimony and from what I saw was never knocked off his high horse. I could see young minds being fooled again by this.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you're edging towards the shallow end yourself.

658 posted on 08/26/2004 6:38:29 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: nopardons
Sean is destroying a lying POS who's Kerry's friend from the VVAW pal,Gregory.

Step on up Kerry Vet supporters. If you committed atrocities speak up now and take a lie detector test.

659 posted on 08/26/2004 6:39:38 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: DeBug=int13
The times being as they were, the significance of this hearing flew right by most people's notice -

As you stated, "Not so today".

660 posted on 08/26/2004 6:39:43 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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