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HEADLINE: Bush Overtakes Kerry in Latest L.A. Times Poll
LA TIMES ^ | 8/25/04 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 08/25/2004 8:00:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

WASHINGTON -- President Bush heads into next week's Republican national convention with voters moving slightly in his direction since July amid signs that John F. Kerry has been nicked by attacks on his service in Vietnam, a Los Angeles Times Poll has found.

For the first time this year in a Times survey, Bush led Kerry in the presidential race, drawing 49 percent among registered voters, compared to 46 percent for the Democrat. In a Times Poll just before the Democratic convention last month, Kerry held a 2 percentage point advantage over Bush.

That small shift from July was within the poll's margin of error. But it fit with other findings in the Times Poll showing the electorate edging toward Bush over the past month on a broad range of measures, from support for his handling of Iraq to confidence in his leadership and honesty.

Although a solid majority of Americans say they believe Kerry served honorably in Vietnam, the poll showed that the fierce attacks on the senator from a group of Vietnam veterans criticizing both his performance in combat and anti-war protests at home have left some marks: Kerry suffered small but consistent erosion compared to July on questions relating to his Vietnam experience, his honesty and his fitness to serve as commander in chief.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; kerry; kewl; latimes; latpoll; poll
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To: randog
The pollsters will fudge the numbers up until the election.

I think most of them try to avoid intentionally fudging. I think they're just very sloppy and use methodologies that tend to draw in a larger Democratic sample. Republicans are wealthier and thus have caller ID and cell phones. They're also more likely to work 9-5 type hours, so are more difficult to reach by phone.

Another reason why I don't think they deliberately tilt the results one way: Saying that Kerry has a 2-point lead when the reality is that Bush is up by 2 doesn't necessarily become an advantage for Kerry. The campaign that's narrowly behind tends to work harder and the one that's ahead tends to get more complacent (or greedy--such as Bush's unnecessary late trip to California in 2000). Granted, the press may not have figured that out yet.

Now the way they *spin* the numbers is another story. That's purely partisan animus in action.

101 posted on 08/25/2004 9:14:30 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: My Favorite Headache
2. Have the best speech possible during the convention...talk about the next 4 yrs and your plans for the economy,fuel,and the war on terror..stay away from gay marriage and any other minimal DNC talking points

I disagree re: the gay marriage issue. Bush needs to reiterate his support for traditional marriage. It was a BIG vote getter in Missouri, and it would be nationwide, as well.

102 posted on 08/25/2004 9:16:22 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: Brett66

In Cambodia!


103 posted on 08/25/2004 9:17:33 PM PDT by popparollo (Johnny we know your machine is at work!DISHONEST!!DISHONORABLE!!!COWARD!!!!)
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To: L`enn

Just when I think they've reached the bottom of the barrel, they seem to find a new low.


104 posted on 08/25/2004 9:17:59 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Brett66
"Kerry's fall has been "swift" kind of like a "boat" sinking."

Funny you should mention that...
Must be why they drug ol' Maximum Bob Cleland out of mothballs today.

105 posted on 08/25/2004 9:26:34 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: nomad
I only wish someone would give the numerous links between Kerry/DNC and his 527s some airtime

FOX just named a whole bunch of them. It's coming up in the press now. They need to keep the ratings up.

106 posted on 08/25/2004 9:31:40 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: nicmarlo

I was thinking of a flushing sound...Lets ALL make sure it happens and VOTE!!! Nov. 2 is V-N DAY for BUSH!! Again, Lets ALL be Bush's insurance and ourselves protectors of the homeland!!


107 posted on 08/25/2004 9:35:37 PM PDT by popparollo (Johnny we know your machine is at work!DISHONEST!!DISHONORABLE!!!COWARD!!!!)
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To: Torie
This poll is of RV and was done by BIAS LAtimes.

I bet Gallup shows Bush with lead outside MOE

108 posted on 08/25/2004 9:43:52 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: KQQL
Aug. 25, 2004 – The top presidential candidates in the United States are tied, according to a poll by Investor’s Business Daily. 43 per cent of respondents would vote for Republican incumbent George W. Bush in the 2004 election, while 43 per cent would support Democratic nominee John Kerry. Five per cent of respondents would back independent candidate Ralph Nader.

Methodology: Interviews to 884 registered American voters, conducted from Aug. 17 to Aug. 23, 2004. Margin of error is 3.1 per cent.

109 posted on 08/25/2004 9:47:27 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: popparollo

Flushing sound is good. Protectors we are!


110 posted on 08/25/2004 9:48:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: commish

If memory serves,they usually "push" the democrat until about a week or two before the election then when they know the democrat doesn't have a chance,they will move about 5 or 6 points toward the republican but still show neck and neck so they can keep a shred of credibility after the election. This one is going to be a knockout.


111 posted on 08/25/2004 10:02:21 PM PDT by deadeye2
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My 2 cents: Don't get mad @ me, get Glade.
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Right now W's average approval ratings is 48.5% from last 10 polls (Dem/GOP don't count). The max W will get over his average approval rating is 0.5%.

So: If the election were held today, the approx election results would be.

W/O Nader
Bush 49.0%
Kerry 50.0%
Others 1.0%

Bush 49.0%
Kerry 49.0%
Nader 1.2%
Others 0.8%

MOE+/-1%


112 posted on 08/25/2004 10:02:51 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: ambrose

UPDATE


113 posted on 08/25/2004 10:08:29 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Bush needs to reiterate his support for traditional marriage. It was a BIG vote getter in Missouri, and it would be nationwide, as well.

I couldn't agree more. Traditional marriage has deep roots for most Americans (even if many fear saying so for sake of "political correctness"). It is a galvanizing issue that I believe transcends even party lines -- such that when push comes to shove, if Bush presses decisively on this issue he will pick up far more Democrat voters than he will allienate Repulican voters - IMHO.

114 posted on 08/25/2004 10:25:05 PM PDT by Murph
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To: Blood of Tyrants

LA Times~49%.... that means Bush is in the mid 70's..... wow.... I knew he was good but 70% of the vote wild.... wild.


115 posted on 08/25/2004 10:26:31 PM PDT by Porterville (How can the median price of a home in CA be 450,000 dollars? How? Where is the money?)
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To: SamAdams76
I sense a "silent majority" out there.

Indeed. Most people have the common sense to avoid my natural desire and past tendency to tell these smug, sanctimonious, and jaw-droppingly hypocritical "progressives" to just shut their F'n faces. Counterproductive. Just show up to vote, and tell them the same thing in the only way that counts.

116 posted on 08/25/2004 10:32:05 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: nomad

"I only wish someone would give the numerous links between Kerry/DNC and his 527s some airtime, it puts another hole in his credibility-proves what a lying sack of $h*t he is."

Aaaahhh...I'd say that if worse came to worse then the best would come last....like when Bush zings out some stats about the Dem 527's expenditures/connections during the one time of the political season where the MSM has to wait at least until all is said and done for each matchup...the debates!


117 posted on 08/25/2004 10:35:37 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Florida 2000: There Would Have Been No 5-4 Without A 7-2)
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To: KQQL

Don't worry. You're probably young or new to politics. The MSM will always slant the polls towards the democrats. They want to pick up the "horse race vote". But in the end the results always come out about 7 points better for the GOP than the polls show at this point.


118 posted on 08/25/2004 10:44:17 PM PDT by deadeye2
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To: SamAdams76

"Now a lot of these decent people aren't going to go around wearing their politics on their sleeves. Many of them just go about their daily business and don't bother engaging the lunatic left. They are just going to show up this November and make themselves heard at the ballot box."

So true. It's not worth the aggravation.


120 posted on 08/25/2004 10:58:50 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Florida 2000: There Would Have Been No 5-4 Without A 7-2)
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