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Poll Shows Kerry Hurt By Attacks (LA TIMES POLL Bush 49% Kerry 46%)
Political Wire ^ | August 25, 2004

Posted on 08/25/2004 7:14:55 PM PDT by RWR8189

Political Wire got an advance look at the new Los Angeles Times poll showing President Bush "moving slightly" ahead of Sen. John Kerry "for the first time this year." Bush had the support of 49% of registered voters, compared to 46% for Kerry.

The newspaper's analysis indicates Kerry "has been nicked by attacks on his service in Vietnam."

The "small shift" from last month's poll "is within the poll's margin of error. But it fits with other findings in the Times Poll showing the electorate edging toward Bush over the past month on a broad range of measures, from support for his handling of Iraq to confidence in his leadership and honesty."

Independent voters split evenly, but Bush's "tentative new advantage" seems to be "his greater success at onsolidating his base. While just 3% of voters who call themselves Republicans say they will vote for Kerry, Bush is drawing 15% just over one-seventh of all Democrats, and fully one-fifth 20% of Democrats who consider themselves moderate or conservative, the poll found."


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KEYWORDS: crossovervote; kewl; latimes; latpoll; latpolls; poll; polls
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To: thoughtomator

After adjusting for media bias, Bush is already the prez.


241 posted on 08/25/2004 10:49:53 PM PDT by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Not exactly.
If their published poll shows Bush at 49% and Kerry at 46%
then their actual findings were probably more like 52-43
in W's favor. I don't trust those punks at the LAT. Remem-
ber their little Davis recall stunt involving Arnold?


242 posted on 08/25/2004 10:53:51 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: TomServo

"He's showing his ass in this episode......"

By Gawd, I believe you are correct! I can see the scar on
Senator Rice-Phony's butt!


243 posted on 08/25/2004 11:17:54 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Sivad
The LA Times poll on Aug 24 2003 had Bustamante up 35%-22% over Schwarzenegger. On Sep 12 it had him up 30%-25%.

On Oct 7 Arnold beat Cruz by 16 points.

244 posted on 08/26/2004 12:45:02 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: RWR8189

The President will be unstoppable. His numbers will improve after the convention and he will lead the campaign until the election. He will win big.


245 posted on 08/26/2004 2:07:58 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: MNnice
I agree.
Kerry's complaining comes across as being overly whiny and it makes him look like he can not handle criticism. He handled the response to the ads horribly.....thank God. ;)

I do not think the average voter would care even if President Bush put these ads out himself, it is politics, everyone engages in attack ads.
We all know this. It is a big GET OVER IT!
246 posted on 08/26/2004 4:41:08 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ambrose

"The newspaper's analysis indicates Kerry "has been nicked by attacks on his service in Vietnam."

No bias here. It is the attack. It cannot be the fact that he has threatened to sue everyting and everyone that doesn't agree with him.


247 posted on 08/26/2004 4:45:27 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: ambrose
The Swifty story will reach its natural end with the RNC Convention, where they will focus on Kerry's senate record and W's second term agenda. That's why I think Regenry is really blowing it by not having the books on the shelves NOW.

I agree. The story's got a short time frame, and I don't know why they didn't have more books ready.

248 posted on 08/26/2004 4:49:02 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: RWR8189; ambrose; Dales; LongsforReagan; ride the whirlwind; finnman69; Tall_Texan; Simmy2.5; ...
Normally one might expect that a MSM organization such as the LA Times would artificially push Bush's pre-convention poll numbers higher by over-sampling Republicans, first to minimize any post-convention bounce, second to make it appear that his numbers are going steadily south... However, it appears that the 'Swift Boat Vets for Truth' have had a large impact on Kerry's approval ratings in the national polls and it was suddenly necessary for the LA Times poll to shore up Kerry's poll numbers to keep him with in the margin of error of their August 21-24, 2004 poll.

Here are the LA Times August 21st-24th, 2004 published poll internal numbers for political affiliation for the three-way race between Bush, Kerry and Nader. These LA Times poll data are in a table format for easy reading.

This national three-way race poll which had 1,352 Registered voters, now shows Bush in the lead by 3% with Bush 47%, Kerry 44%, Nader 3%. The MoE is ±3.0% for this LA Times poll question number six.

Demographics Republican Democrat Independent   Poll  Numbers
Favor  Bush 92.00% 14.00% 41.00% Bush: 47.00%
Favor  Kerry 4.00% 78.00% 40.00% Kerry: 44.00%
Favor  Nader 2.00% 3.00% 7.00% Nader: 3.00%
Other/UnDec 0.00% 0.00% 2.00% Other/UnDec 1.00%
Do  not  know: 2.00% 5.00% 10.00% Do  not  know: 5.00%
  100% 100% 100%   100%

Source: LA Times Presidential poll - August 21-24, 2004 PDF file, released August 25th, 2004: Question #6, page 9 of 25.

Here below is the distribution of the 1,352 registered voters necessary to recreate the numbers show in the table directly above. Remember that the numbers below must be rounded to NO decimal places to match the above LA Times published data.

Registered 1352        
Demographics Republicans Democrats Independents Total  Raw  Votes Poll  Results
Bush 399 80 151 630 46.60%
Kerry 18 432 146 596 44.08%
Nader 8 14 24 46 3.40%
Other/UnDec 0 0 8 8 0.59%
Don’t  know 7 29 36 72 5.33%
Won’t  Vote 0 0 0 0 0.00%
Total  Raw  Votes 432 555 365 1352 100%
Percentage: 31.95% 41.05% 27.00%   100%
           
Bush 92.36% 14.41% 41.37%    
Kerry 4.17% 77.84% 40.00%    
Nader 1.85% 2.52% 6.58%    
Other/UnDec 0.00% 0.00% 2.19%    
Don’t  know 1.62% 5.23% 9.86%    
Won’t  Vote 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%    
Total: 100.00% 100.00% 100.00%   Demographics


So the partisan affiliation weightings that were used by the LA Times are indicated in the table below. Remember, because of LA Times rounding of their poll numbers, the below breakdowns might have a ±1.2% variance. That being said, it appears that this latest LA Times three-way race presidential preference poll has 9.1% more Democrats than Republicans in its sample population. A 2%-3% advantage for Democrats over Republicans might be a more realistic set of demographic splits.

    Results    
    (Weighting)    
`        
  Republican 31.95% Republican  
  Democrat 41.05% Democrat  
  Independent 27.00% Independent  
         
    100.0%    
         


So what would the LA Times poll look like with a more reasonable national sample of say 35.1%(R), 37.1%(D), 27.8%(I)? Look below and you would see that Bush would now have a 7.8% lead, which would be clearly outside the 'Margin of Error' of the LA Times poll. Kerry has been sinking swiftly...

Adjusted  Numbers
49.3%
41.5%
3.4%
5.9%
100.0%
 
 
New  Weighting
 
 
35.1%
37.1%
27.8%
 
100.0%
 


Hope this helps...

dvwjr

249 posted on 08/26/2004 5:06:10 AM PDT by dvwjr
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To: dvwjr

Agreed, new poll for Cali shows Kerry lead in Cali is only 3 points... which I don't care what methodology used is, if you only have a 3 point lead in the liberal bastion of California 70 days before election when you were up by 8-12 2 weeks before... its not going well for you.

Kerry's sinking.... the times they are a changin.


250 posted on 08/26/2004 6:20:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: dvwjr
Factsinating - thanks.

Kerry has been sinking swiftly...

Haha!

251 posted on 08/26/2004 6:27:55 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Sorry, Mr. Kerry....In the parlance popularized by your wife, you can just "shove it.")
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To: guitar Josh
"Where did you get these numbers?"

(Lack of) Courage just makes 'em up as he sees fit. They don't even add up to the correct total most of the time.

252 posted on 08/26/2004 6:34:04 AM PDT by wireman
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To: MrNatural
Hillary can beat anyone else.

Hillary has some of the highest negatives of anyone on the political scene.

She really is someone that you either love or hate.

The only thing she has going for her is that Oprah loves her, and would really puff her to all the brain-washed Oprah-ites.

253 posted on 08/26/2004 7:34:45 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: dvwjr
Thanks for making clear to us laymen how polling works, and why the initiator of the poll can skew the results.

One question: It used to be true, I believe, that Republicans were more likely to vote than Democrats.

Is this true ?

254 posted on 08/26/2004 7:50:54 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: olde north church

True...pork chop is out, then. But it's gonna be hard for them to hang an Indian Taco around his neck. Maybe they should give the Breck Girl cotton-candy hair?


255 posted on 08/26/2004 8:04:58 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: mlbford2
Those DUmmies are so out of touch, they think the LA Slimes is a right-wing rag! One of the idiots said they showed Bustamonte way ahead in the polls against Arnold... So that shows they're a right-wing rag??!! The logic is OUTSTANDING!!

It should be a FUN election night over there when they get BASHED upside the head with reality!

256 posted on 08/26/2004 8:30:17 AM PDT by RogerWilko
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To: dvwjr

That's GREAT info, and presented in a way that most people will be able to follow the logic. You might want to re-post this as a separate thread, since there is still so much interest in the LAT poll results. Most people know that it's probably flawed, but some think skewed towards dems, some towards republicans.

Great work!


257 posted on 08/26/2004 8:47:37 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe (Now EX-Democrat!!)
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To: dvwjr

Amazing!


258 posted on 08/26/2004 9:59:22 AM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: SamAdams76
Like Lloyd Bentsen before him, John Edwards brings nothing to the ticket - not even his home state.

Well, Edwards does bring one thing to the ticket — a face that scares little kids!


259 posted on 08/26/2004 10:08:36 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Dork, dufus, dolt, dummy, dope, dweeb, Democrat — ain't alliteration grand!)
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To: dvwjr

Thanks, this does make it easier to understand


260 posted on 08/26/2004 10:59:33 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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