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what would be a good learning rifle?
8/24/2004 | rune3345

Posted on 08/24/2004 11:06:21 AM PDT by rune3345

HI, I am wondering what a good learning rifle would be. something that wont cost me a arm, a lag(how ever you spell it) and a few toes for the rifle and bullets.


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To: Manic_Episode
Full Auto Assault Rifle, 100 round mags, cop killer bullets.
Sparrows are good practice targets.

Only when they're flying through heavily-populated neighborhoods. LOL!

61 posted on 08/24/2004 11:29:44 AM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: rune3345
M16. And I know someone who can teach you:

;)

62 posted on 08/24/2004 11:29:44 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: rune3345

Addendum: If you find you really like the .22 but want something more accurate, then look at a rifle in the .17 HMR caliber.


63 posted on 08/24/2004 11:29:55 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: gunnygail
thanks for the info...will check it out. :)

Red

64 posted on 08/24/2004 11:30:36 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...I can call Clinton an idiot.)
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65 posted on 08/24/2004 11:32:07 AM PDT by SirChas
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To: dirtboy
If you want cheap, get a .22 Marlin or Ruger. Ammo doesn't cost much, either.

I prefer the Ruger 10-22

If you really want to improve your rifle shooting get a "break-barrel" type pellet gun, with a muzzle velocity of 1000fps. Since this type of pellet gun uses a spring piston to compress the air, it is very consistent. Any minor error in gun handling makes the shot fly way off. This is because, unlike a rifle the recoil happens just prior to the pellet leaving the barrel. It will really improve your off-hand shooting. Make sure you only use a pellet gun scope, these things blow apart even the most expensive rifle scope.(It's due to a reverse recoil when the piston slams forward to the end of the cylinder.) Also, don't spend the money for the extra suspension models, these minimize the "recoil/pelletleaving the barrel" issue, which defeats the intended purpose of helping to improve your shooting.

If your final intension is hunting get a ballistics software. Learn the path of your bullet/pellet. Example; I set up a .308 to shoot 3.5 inches high at 100 yards. A 165 grain bullet will rise to about 4 inches max. then drop to -4 inches at about 250 yards. The "kill area" of a deer, (heart and lungs) is about 8 inches tall. This gives my set-up a "point-blank" range of 250 yards. Just point on target, and squeeze.

66 posted on 08/24/2004 11:33:32 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: rune3345

Where are you from, pilgrim? Outside the US? I say this because even a fairly small and not so bright child can spell leg.


67 posted on 08/24/2004 11:33:53 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: rune3345

I'm far from a gun expert, and I live in NYC where it's hard to go plinking around, but when I purchased my first (and only) rifle I found myself plumping for a Marlin .22 - specifically the lever-action 39A. It's a beautifully made piece, a classic bit of Americana and I think a very fine shooting rifle (at least way better than any other .22s the local range hands out). It's never jammed on me, and I believe other owners have had similar good experiences.

While I wouldn't go bear hunting with it, I think it would serve me well in any situation I might realistically find myself in. The magazine (tubular) holds 19 LR rounds, which is a nice convenience. Not exactly cheap, at about $400, but there you are. The ammo, as others have pointed out, is dirt cheap.


68 posted on 08/24/2004 11:34:00 AM PDT by Merciful_Friend
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To: SirChas; Darksheare

Look, your gun!


69 posted on 08/24/2004 11:34:10 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character. - John Armor, 5 Jun 2004 (||)
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To: rune3345
I would recommend a good bolt-action .22. It teaches that every shot is important and worth taking time to aim, squeeze, etc.

An automatic can encourage just burning up a lot of ammo without taking time to develop the discipline of marksmanship.

70 posted on 08/24/2004 11:34:15 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: rune3345

Ruger 10/22 Bump


71 posted on 08/24/2004 11:34:19 AM PDT by greylurker (admit nothing, deny everything, make counter allegations.)
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To: rune3345
for small game you could get a stainless steel Springfield M-6 Scout with a single shot .22 over a .410 under for about $200 and can shoot both all day for cheep

got one stashed in my jeep

72 posted on 08/24/2004 11:34:39 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: rune3345

Owl_Eagle was just kidding you. You really aren't from around here, are you?


73 posted on 08/24/2004 11:35:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: rune3345
I'm going to echo a couple posters comments and suggest the marlin .22 bolt action. It was my first rifle way back when and I learned a lot shooting it. It's clip fed, which is something any shooter is going to have to get used to eventually. The bold action lets you focus on that one singe round in the chamber rather then just squeezing away.

Plus the marlin bolt action is cheap and accurate, which aren't two things you normally associate with a semi-auto.
74 posted on 08/24/2004 11:35:28 AM PDT by Durus
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To: rune3345
Personally, I HIGHLY recommend making sure that you're breaking them in on a BOLT ACTION rifle. I suggest .22's because they're light, easy to fire, and allow you to teach proper gun handling and accuracy without the student being afraid of firing kick or startled by a lot of noise.

I suggest bolt action out of personal experience. When my daughter was six I began teaching her how to handle and aim a rifle, and eventually took her out to the range to shoot off a box of live rounds. We had a semiauto 22 LR at the time, and I stood back while she squeezed off her first round. She enjoyed the feel and power after taking her first shot so much that she promptly squeezed off four more rounds in the time it took me to cross the four feet seperating us and yank her hand from the trigger.

To her credit, four of those five rounds found the target :-) Still, that rifle was retired in favor of a bolt action after that incident. Teaching kids that every shot counts is much easier when you have to deliberately load every round between shots.
75 posted on 08/24/2004 11:35:55 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: rune3345
You need to be more specific. What type of hunting will you be doing? If it's small game 22 fine, deer 243 or 30-06. Grizz 300 Winchester. Iraqi terrorists 50 cal MA-1. All of them good plinkers. ;-)
76 posted on 08/24/2004 11:36:47 AM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Two types of FR threads that you can bank on hitting 100 posts are gun vanities and (oddly) anything dealing with fast food."

You left out beer.

77 posted on 08/24/2004 11:37:42 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Guys like John Kerry spit on guys like me. I've been waiting 33 years to spit back.")
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78 posted on 08/24/2004 11:38:58 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: rune3345

Try the Yugoslavian SKS. The ammo costs about 10 cents a round and the rifle can be purchased in fair condition for 150$ from a dealer.


79 posted on 08/24/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: gunnygail
M1903A3

Nice. I gotta get one, one of these days to complement my Garand and No.4 Enfields.

80 posted on 08/24/2004 11:40:43 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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