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FOX News: Kerry Campaign Admits SBVT May Be Right?
FOX News ^
| August 23, 2004
| FOX News
Posted on 08/24/2004 1:40:58 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
FOX News reported this today:
And questions keep coming. For example, Kerry recieved a Purple Heart for wounds suffered on December 2, 1968. But in Kerry's own journal, written 9 days later, he writes he and his crew, "hadn't been shot at yet." Kerry's campaign has said it is possible his first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentionally self-inflicted wounds.
Sounds like some sort of admission to me.
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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; purpleheart; sbv; swiftboat; swiftboatveterans; veterans; vietnam
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To: GreyWolf
amen, excellent post wolf.
121
posted on
08/24/2004 7:30:26 AM PDT
by
Delbert
To: beyond the sea
"This is very hugh and series. No sh*t. This is series as a hart attic
Sounds like some one is a Sofa King....John F'n "flip-flop fop Kerry.....?
122
posted on
08/24/2004 7:41:30 AM PDT
by
spokeshave
(Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture for to avoid saying)
To: West Coast Conservative
..... he writes he and his crew, "hadn't been shot at yet." Kerry's campaign has said it is possible his first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentionally self-inflicted wounds. The Purple Heart requirements allow the award of a Purple Heart for self inflicted wounds.......but only if those self-inflicted wounds were received "in the heat of battle".
How could Kerry possibly have been "in the heat of battle" while never having been "shot at yet"?
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Purple Heart Requirements
5) Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
(b) Heat stroke.
(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
(e) Battle fatigue.
(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.
(h) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving gross negligence.
To: bondjamesbond
"Given the unpredictable nature of war, I would imagine the definition of what constitutes negligence for 19-year-olds carrying around hand grenades on a daily basis is fairly narrow."
Think about how miniscule that definition is when you give a 17 year old a pocket full of hand grenades.
124
posted on
08/24/2004 7:48:49 AM PDT
by
tjg
To: Condor51
Kerry almost immediately asked for an early release from the Navy - which was granted by the Admiral. Every time this guy asked for a new job or to be released from duty it was granted. Where I come from that means "Screw Up".
125
posted on
08/24/2004 8:05:58 AM PDT
by
rocksblues
(Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
To: All
Someone on this thread noticed it earlier...the 13 March 1969 shrapnel wound that Dr. Doyle referred to was a BRUISE! See post #21.
To: West Coast Conservative
Looks like this is the second Rice Butt to sink a Democ
rat.
127
posted on
08/24/2004 8:12:24 AM PDT
by
bootyist-monk
(<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
To: FesterUSMC
Better yet, this means Kerry's a deserter. He needed three PHs to leave early. One of the three was fraudulent. Thus, at most, he had only two valid ones, one short of what he needed to get out. He deserted because he got out on a frad.
To: Avenger
![](http://www.ci.ceres.ca.us/images/CitySeal.jpg)
This is very hugh and series.
I think it is ceres.
129
posted on
08/24/2004 8:23:47 AM PDT
by
oyez
(¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
To: Condor51
Thanks very much for your help and answer.
130
posted on
08/24/2004 8:37:59 AM PDT
by
hawkaw
To: West Coast Conservative
Following up on the question several posters here, myself included, have raised about whether this makes Kerry a deserter, I got onto the internet and looked up the relevant part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 47 USC Section 885(a)(2), which provides, in relevant part:
"Any member of the armed forces who . . . quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty, or to shirk important service . . . is guilty of desertion."
Section 885(c) provides that the penalty for desertion, in time of war is death or "such other punishment as a court martial may direct[.]"
This most recent report shows that Kerry deliberately faked the paper work for his first purple heart. Assuming that's what he did, he escaped "hazardous duty" on the basis of a fraud, since he otherwise would have only had two PHs, one short of what he needed to avoid the hazardous duty. Thus, he's a DESERTER.
To: GarySpFc; rolling_stone
well that post 20 is a good start, but hardly the official Navy medical records...
It's Kerry's stateside doctor, cleaning up and summarizing his official records for public consumption.
(meaning there's something JUICY we would see if we saw the OFFICIAL Navy records)
We have nothing but Kerry's word that these are true and correct, and un-altered.
Same goes for EVERY posting on his website of
his Vietnam records. If we prove he lied once, we can't
believe ANYTHING he 'creates' for our viewing.
He has got to sign form 180 so independent researchers can scrutinize the REAL records.
To: EdReform; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; devolve
"Kerry's campaign has said it is possible his first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentionally self-inflicted wounds." Ping !!
133
posted on
08/24/2004 10:07:35 AM PDT
by
MeekOneGOP
(There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
To: Bob from De
>>Someone on this thread noticed it earlier...the 13 March 1969 shrapnel wound that Dr. Doyle referred to was a BRUISE! See post #21.
Yes, and he punched out of Vietnam almost immediately after
that bruise on March 13th. But his 3rd purple heart wasn't
APPROVED UNTIL MID APRIL.
To: MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo
135
posted on
08/24/2004 10:35:16 AM PDT
by
devolve
( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
To: devolve
136
posted on
08/24/2004 10:52:21 AM PDT
by
MeekOneGOP
(There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
To: spokeshave
May I say............ I hate
John-Jaquestrap Effin Shove It S.O.B Teresa Mamma T Winthrop Simoes-Ferreira Al Qerry-Heinz III.He is a pompous piece of sh*t!
137
posted on
08/24/2004 12:08:36 PM PDT
by
beyond the sea
(Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
To: Lynne
I believe that if the claim that Kerry was at the VVAW meeting where they voted on whether to asassinate US Senators is ever proven true, I was of the understanding that his campaign quietly admitted it in the face of witnesses...and that he had voted "no" and quit his position in the organization (sort of).
138
posted on
08/24/2004 1:39:57 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Taliesan
Here is an instance where the Kerry side admits the Navy records are inaccurate. I think there's another: The Reverend that spoke for him at the convention. Don't the records strongly imply he had been wounded along with Pees and shipped out - never to return - before Kerry took command of his boat?
139
posted on
08/24/2004 1:43:11 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: libstripper
You're misdefining "quits" in the military sense. He may be guilty of fraud, but not desertion.
140
posted on
08/24/2004 1:54:50 PM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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