Posted on 08/23/2004 11:39:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 08/23/2004 11:47:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I'll make this short and sweet (kinda like this is your brain, this is your brain on crack - any questions?).
a) Alan Keyes is an America loving, Constitution loving, Liberty loving, pro-life ultra conservative. We'd be ^damned lucky to have him in the Senate if we could get him there.
b) Barack Obama is an America hating, pro-abortion socialist communist. It'll be a dark day for America if he's elected.
Any questions?
Not hard to do...but I didn't :o)
LOL!
If even some conservatives are wondering "what the hell is he thinking", you can only imagine what non-conservatives must think: "Is this guy nuts to think he can win this?" And what really bothers me about that is that the kookiness of him running for an Illinois Senate seat makes him -- and hence his conservative views -- look kooky as well. The assumption out the gate is going to be that he's a nut, not that he's a serious, thoughtful guy.
I agree with Alan more often than not, but this was a bad, bad move. He's basically made himself into a joke, and done more harm to the cause than good.
We need all the high profile people we can get and Alan will keep the party on track.
Jim R has it right!
you just dont get it... D.
anti reparations = anti christ
see #144?
and it's considered conservatism worthy of our support.
God help us!
Please don't worry about it. :-)
Go, Keyes, go!!
What's wrong with a tax break?
What odds would you place on his election?
I saw it indeed, and I responded to it. Notice also that he met no resistance from the like-minded.
Don't you mean: "What's wrong with a race-based tax break?"
Philosophically, one can do so, but practically? It's the same difference.
sounds like you have a problem with the "notax-forblax" reparations formula?
what's wrong with you... are you a
"REAL CONSERVATIVE?"
In that case, what Reagan did is pretty much like settling a lawsuit before it starts.
However, I think Michelle Malkin has some good insights on the internment, if you've noticed in her interviews where she hasn't been hardballed by the host and actually allowed to discuss her new book. I agree with the idea that national security comes first. It's worth more debate and study.
The case of blacks and slavery is more clear-cut a case of injustice than the Japanese internment was. Under slavery, human beings were property, to be disposed with or abused or exploited. The practice went on for hundreds of years.
The fact that it existed prior to the formation of the federal government does not excuse the federal government from some culpability. The Civil War acknowledged and paid for the sin. The damages incurred by slavery on its victims have never been addressed, except by manipulative socialistic programs that have backfired. Keyes has suggested a conservative alternative to that.
Imagine being dead. That is what would have happened to those blacks if they weren't shipped to the colonies. Blacks who were sold into slavery in this country were lucky.
Ah, they're so "lucky" to have come here and be treated by the white man so well. Hmm.....
A little black girl forced to go under the dinner table and eat out of her missus' hand like a dog. If she tapped her missus' knee once or twice, maybe she'd get another biscuit to eat. Maybe not. Maybe she goes to bed hungry again.
Hordes of black bodies huddling in a barn in Maryland in the winter on the plantation. At night, the master shoves pig slop on a tray under the barn door. The slaves hurry and eat their only meal with their hands.
Black children running around in nothing but battered tunics, their only clothing they have to take care to last for years. When they turn seven or eight, they get lucky enough to be issued a pair of pants.
The little black boy without a mother and a father. He recalls seeing his mother once, maybe twice, before she was intentionally separated from him and shipped off to a new plantation. He's been raised by someone they called his granny, but he doesn't know who she is for sure. People say his father was white, and he doesn't know why, but he thinks it was his master. He's kept like a dog, nonetheless. Worse than a dog.
The slave better hop an' skip an' do what the master says. Even when he does, he gets whipped when the master gets drunk.
A slave is shot and killed in the stream as he tries to flee. Another one. And another.
The law enforcement official brings one that escaped to his owner. This one is beaten to death.
Mass graves of Africans. Maybe they died on the ships on their way here. Maybe they were too disobedient or defective to be of "proper service."
Rapes, murders, destruction of families, humiliations, denial of identity, denial of humanity.
I wonder how many preferred death to this? And many WERE put to death. Maybe the dead were the lucky ones, to finally find freedom and rest in heaven with God.
Black Africans had a short way with excess prisoners. Besides, in case you haven't notice their whole culture was based on slavery, too.
We were supposed to know better. The early settlers came here for religious reasons. They were Christians. And they based our government on a moral principle that was "self-evident."
Our nation is supposed to be a moral beacon to the world. We paid the price for the sin of slavery in the Civil War. Now maybe it's time to right the wrong. Any ideas how?
Tell ya what. Why don't you ask the people who originally captured and sold the slaves to pay the reparations: the blacks and Arabs of Africa.
They aren't responsible for the actions of our government. Our government is to treat all men as created equal, and endowed by God with rights. When it falls short of that, restitution is called for. That’s our law, even in modern civic matters.
The idea of tax breaks based on race is nothing new. Native Americans on reservations are typically exempt from the income tax. They also receive many exemptions in other taxes.
What "long-standing policy"? You don't think American Indians pay taxes?
All Indians are subject to federal income taxes. As sovereign entities, tribal governments have the power to levy taxes on reservation lands. Some tribes do and some do not. As a result, Indians and non-Indians may or may not pay sales taxes on goods and services purchased on the reservation, depending on the Tribe. However, whenever a member of an Indian tribe conducts business off the reservation, that person, like everyone else, pays both state and local taxes.
You may now continue your debate, and be able to do so with actual factual data, rather than stuff you may have heard that is not accurate...
Chad "An Indian who pays the same taxes everyone else does" Fairbanks
You gotta love it, huh? Suddenly, this is a brilliant idea whose time has come. How odd that it wasn't on anyone's "good idea" radar screen two weeks ago.
If you can show me one case hwere that tear-jerking sob story stuff you list has been practiced in this country institutionally in recent years, then maybe You, and Keyes, would have a case for reparations.
Get back to me when you find an instance. Thanks! ;0)
Many Native American-owned businesses and organizations are exempt from taxes and regulations.
The IRS code also has a number of exemptions on the federal level in the federal income tax.
Now, ask yourself, why are these exemptions in place? Reparations, perhaps?
Yes. So, it's only fair to give some kind of exemption to descendents of slaves who were deprived of something much more valuable than land.
Ummm... it's not reparations - it's treaties.
You would be wise to leave the American Indian issue out of this, as it is not comparable, nor is it relavent.
Asking why indians who live and work on reservations don't pay state income tax is like asking "How come that guy who lives in another state doesn't have to pay state income taxes in this state...".
Get a clue before spouting off on a topic you appear to know squat about.
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