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Vanity: Alan Keyes for Senate
Aug 23, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/23/2004 11:39:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 08/23/2004 11:47:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I'll make this short and sweet (kinda like this is your brain, this is your brain on crack - any questions?).

a) Alan Keyes is an America loving, Constitution loving, Liberty loving, pro-life ultra conservative. We'd be ^damned lucky to have him in the Senate if we could get him there.

b) Barack Obama is an America hating, pro-abortion socialist communist. It'll be a dark day for America if he's elected.

Any questions?


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Delphinium

Yup. The anti-Christ spirit taking over the GOP too...


141 posted on 08/24/2004 11:06:46 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Non-Sequitur

roflmao...


142 posted on 08/24/2004 11:08:48 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Dubya's fan

Go thune go...
tommy daschle will be deeply sadenned....
and unemployed till his wife gets him a new day job.


143 posted on 08/24/2004 11:09:46 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: MadIvan

Hear, hear. It takes a good man from across the great pond to see what the blind anti-Christ GOPers in America can't...the obvious.


144 posted on 08/24/2004 11:10:15 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ApesForEvolution
to see what the blind anti-Christ GOPers in America can't...the obvious.

More "base building".

145 posted on 08/24/2004 11:17:25 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: JustPiper
Thanks for the article. Bump!
The Fight in Illinois: Alan Keyes vs. Barack Obama
Phyllis Schlafly
Posted Aug 24, 2004

Alan Keyes has upset the liberal game plan to crown law school lecturer Barack Obama as the new leader of blacks in America. Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton like Obama because he imitates their votes, but Americans like Keyes because he is straightforward about issues we care about. http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4867

146 posted on 08/24/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: joesbucks
Again, he said "never". Does begging negate it?

And he never has been a carpetbagger like Hilary, and he never has violated the principles of federalism, as has been pointed out.

147 posted on 08/24/2004 11:43:14 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: k2blader
Headline:

"unpsun brought before the FReeper Court for friendly fire incident!"

Alas, I throw myself at the mercy of the court....

148 posted on 08/24/2004 11:46:53 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: k2blader
...which may be different than "throwing myself before the mercy of the court..."   ;-`
149 posted on 08/24/2004 11:49:59 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Little Ray
It's just a tax break. Sheesh.

Ronald Reagan signed a bill that awarded $20,000 in tax dollar reparations to 80,000 Japanese Americans (or their closest living descendants) for spending a couple of years in WWII internment camps.

I guess if Reagan was resurrected today, you wouldn't support him, either?

There are proposals to use tax dollars in reparations for descendants of slaves--slaves who suffered more loss than we could imagine, spending generations living as "property" that could be used, abused, and destroyed at their masters' whim.

There are also threats of lawsuits. Currently, there's a woman and her two brothers suing for $1.4 trillion dollars because their father was a slave. They remember seeing his whip scars before he died. Other suits have sprung up for billions. Many of these suits could prove successful.

As an alternative to this, Keyes has proposed a "tax break" for descendants of slaves. More than a tax break, it exempts them from the "slave tax"--the income tax--before completely abolishing the tax for the rest of us. This would provide an incentive for many to get off of the Great Society and New Deal programs, and into the workforce or self-employment.

Eventually, it would add steam to the movement to abolish the income tax for everyone--which Alan Keyes has said is his ultimate goal.

I think his idea is a good compromise, better than anyone else's solution--including Reagan's.

150 posted on 08/24/2004 11:54:26 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
I don't like the reparations paid to Japanese Americans. I used to, until I found out the that fear of Imperial Japanese sympathizers among that population was firmly grounded in reality.
Nor were the Japanese singled out; Italians and Germans and other nationalities were also put in the camps. Funny, they never got reparations.
That said, the Federal Government was responsible for this action and the recipients were identifiably the victims or their immediate descendants.

This is not the case with slave reparations.

In any case, SHOW ME me how a black descendant of slaves in the USA is worse off that blacks that remained in Africa, or blacks anywhere else in the world for that matter.

Ding! Time's up. You can't!

No reparations. Not now. Not ever.

I care what Keyes' intentions are, couching them as reparations blows the whole thing out of the water.

(And, if Reagan made reparations to anybody part of his presidential platform, d@mn straight I wouldn't support him.)
151 posted on 08/24/2004 12:16:01 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: joesbucks
You're incorrect in what you think you know about what I would do if the proposal came from someone else. I do not simply dismiss arguments when they are presented in good faith. I look for flaws in reasoning and I present my argument. I rejected Keyes' argument on its merits, I stated my reasoning in a cogent manner, and I reiterated my overall support for the candidate, who, as I said, I agree with more than any other politician. Of course I'm going to support him.

If you go to www.keyes2004.com and click on the issues link, you'll see those other items where he and I wholeheartedly agree. The other two issues where we're steadfastly opposed are not even mentioned on the site (special tax breaks and mandatory national service). It is not going to sit atop his agenda as Senator. Given that, I see no reason to beat him down just as we need him to rise up for those other issues where we agree. This is, after all, an election season, and we serve no good by defeating the 98% of good we like because we disagree with the other 2%. I will not shoot my toenails off when they only need clipping.

152 posted on 08/24/2004 12:23:49 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Little Ray
There's another idea by a black conservative for an alternative "reparations" plan. It's better than reparations in the form of socialistic programs, government payments, and lawsuits.

Walter Williams said granting federal land to descendants of slaves could be a solution.

Said Williams:

There's one condition where I might fall prey to the reparations temptation. The federal government owns up to 90 percent of the land in western states such as Alaska, Nevada, New Mexico and California. Turning that land over to blacks, and hence into private hands, might not be a bad idea.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21029

That's another idea that would be feasible and fair. Both Williams' and Keyes' suggestions are better and more conservative than reparations in payments such as Reagan signed on to.

You still consider Walter Williams and Ronald Reagan good conservatives, don't you?

153 posted on 08/24/2004 12:27:09 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Little Ray
, if Reagan made reparations to anybody part of his presidential platform, d@mn straight I wouldn't support him

You no longer support Ronald Reagan because of one little issue? That's harsh.

154 posted on 08/24/2004 12:30:28 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Aquinasfan

Would you find a problem in his positions on those two points as well as others that have surfaced in the past years if he was a liberal (beyond just being a liberal).


155 posted on 08/24/2004 12:33:59 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

Don't understand the question. I'm not going to vote for a liberal so it doesn't matter what their position on something is.


156 posted on 08/24/2004 12:36:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Sabertooth

Question. Is carpetbagging bad? If it is up to the people to vote yes or no, the people have the last word don't they.

I could see if Keyes was being appointed senator, but he was - asked. And now he must still compete for the job.

In the reconstruction days, the people of the south didn't ask for the carpetbaggers. And these Yankees were appointed to positions or took advantage of money making situations - they didn't have to run for elected office.

I don't care were they lived, if they meet the requirements to run for the job, hey bring it on.

And since this guy, Keyes has served America all his life, and served the cause of Life, he meets the requirements, I say go Keyes.


Either way, you the man DIENTEDETIGRE, thanks for your comments and pls keep on keepin on.


157 posted on 08/24/2004 12:52:10 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: B Knotts
The Keyes bashing is getting out of control.

What you call "Keyes bashing" is an attempt to inject common sense into a sea of illogic. As the old saying goes, there are exactly two chances of Keyes winning: slim and none - and slim just died on the operating table. The only thing out of control here are some folks here who would rather tilt at windmills than direct their energy toward getting electable candidates, like Bush, elected.

158 posted on 08/24/2004 12:56:22 PM PDT by EveningStar (Memo to Keyesters: Don Quixote was insane!)
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To: Little Ray

The question is, if a liberal was recruited from out of state to replace obama, would you find an issue, even it was under the same circumstances as Keyes invitation?

If obama proposed the same reparations as Keyes, would you find that acceptable?


159 posted on 08/24/2004 12:59:02 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Little Ray
That said, the Federal Government was responsible for this action and the recipients were identifiably the victims or their immediate descendants

Here, you're saying you have nothing against the principle of reparations in the form of governmental payment, so long as they are given equitably and by the entity responsible.

Later, you said if Reagan had proposed this in his campaigns, you would not have supported him.

That's a strange position you take.

Regarding reparations for blacks in the form of a tax break, you are against this because you do not see the federal government as responsible for slavery.

That is a false assumption.

The federal government condoned slavery, sanctioned slavery, and defined blacks as subhuman in its Constitution. (3/5th of a person.)

The federal government bears the responsibility, not just states, for allowing a people to be treated in a way that violated its own principles and laws.

A person is a person, no matter what the government might say.

Can you imagine being someone else's property? Can you imagine the psychological damage that would do to a whole culture? Can you imagine what happens to that culture's psyche to come from ancestors who were stripped of their identity, heritage, family life, and the ability even to own property to pass on to their children?

And another issue: what of the abuse condoned by governments after slavery? Interracial marriage, segregation, discrimination, violation of rights--that's not distantly in our past.

For that matter, slavery isn’t distantly in our past. There are living grandchildren and even children of slaves.

160 posted on 08/24/2004 1:02:13 PM PDT by Gelato
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