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SwiftVets paid to lie?

Posted on 08/23/2004 9:51:29 AM PDT by jim macomber

Just watched an interview on Fox with Kirin Chetry (sp?) interviewing a dem and a rep. The dem's position was simplicity itself. The Bush ads are lies. Period. So are the SwiftVets. And it goes unchallenged. This guy flat out stated that, not only are the SwiftVet ads bald-faced lies, these guys were paid to do it. 'Lash for cash' was the phrase he used in one of those mnemonic rhymes they are so fond of. And it went unchallenged. Oh, one time Chetry said '...but aren't the MoveOn ads doing the same thing?' and the guy said, "Well Kirin, isn't there a distinction between the truth and lies?" Couldn't Kirin have said., "So the ad portrraying Bush as Hitler is true?" But nothing. Nothing. And, given the last word, the rep guy didn't address it or fight it either. It's disheartening.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: ads; kerry; swiftboatveterans
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1 posted on 08/23/2004 9:51:29 AM PDT by jim macomber
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I saw similar this morning on Fox and Friends when ED interviewed that really hyperactive female from the sKerry campaign. No challenge, no nothing - I was screaming at the TV, it was so disappointing. All my husband could muster was that at least she looks good. I guess the same goes for Kirin. Why not some harder journalism from the Fox News babes????


2 posted on 08/23/2004 9:53:45 AM PDT by rocky88 ("It's goin to be the summer of George! (W. Bush, that is!)")
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Kerry could settle this in ONE day. He could tell us where and how the Swift Boat vets are lying. He has not done so because he can't.

Another Kerry lie was exposed by the Boston Globe in April 2004:

The Kerry campaign removed a 20-page batch of documents yesterday from its website after The Boston Globe quoted a Navy officer who said the documents wrongly portrayed Kerry's service. Edward Peck had said he -- not Kerry -- was the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 at a time when the Kerry campaign website credited the senator with serving on the boat. The website had described Kerry's boat as being hit by rockets and said a crewmate was injured in an attack.

But Peck said those events happened when he was the skipper. The campaign did not respond to a request to explain why the records were removed.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197480/posts


3 posted on 08/23/2004 9:54:14 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: jim macomber

Don't be disheartened. A Leftie at the Village Voice has come out on the attack against Kerry. Soon other Dems will be dining on Kerry as the Left eat their own.


4 posted on 08/23/2004 9:54:54 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: jim macomber

Don't get to upset, the evil dums are getting hysterical. It's the Evil dum talking points today. Nadler was on and the only words out of his mouth was they are lying, over and over again.


5 posted on 08/23/2004 9:55:13 AM PDT by marty60
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To: jim macomber
John O'Neill has been debating Kerry on these issues since 1971........look at his appearance with Kerry on the "Dick Cavett Show". These guys are no "Johhny-come-latelys", they've had this beef with Kerry since the war ended (and before).
6 posted on 08/23/2004 9:57:10 AM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: jim macomber

attack the messenger. we know the routine.


7 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:02 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: jim macomber
"Well Kirin, isn't there a distinction between the truth and lies?"

This is their thinking in a nutshell -- what they believe is ipso facto The Truth. What Conservatives believe is ipso facto A Lie.

For journalists to be openly pro-abortion is not a sign of bias -- everyone knows that's the right position.
For journalists to be openly pro-homosexual is not a sign of bias -- everyone knows that's the right position.
For journalists to be openly pro-Fahrenheit 911 is not a sign of bias -- everyone knows that's the right position.
For journalists to be openly contemptuous of Swift Vets is not a sign of bias -- everyone knows that's the right position.

8 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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Instead of dealing with the points reaised, Kerry has decided that the best defense is to simply call them liars and to trash the Vietnam Vets yet again.


9 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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The SwiftVets ad #2 just out today is very powerful...in my view more powerful than their original.

How could any one claim it is a lie...its just Kerry's own words coupled with Vietnam veterans reaction to his testimony before a Senate committee.

The only way to claim the ad is a lie would be for Kerry to say his testimony was a lie.

His anti-war activities have come back to haunt him!

10 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:26 AM PDT by Voltage
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I think it would be really bad if the dems start attacking Kerry. Would Kerry get replaced, or is it too late?
11 posted on 08/23/2004 10:01:40 AM PDT by TBall
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To: Voltage
His anti-war activities have come back to haunt him!

It's about time!!!!

12 posted on 08/23/2004 10:02:21 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset • www.2asisters.org • www.cantheban.net)
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To: jim macomber

Whether the Swiftees are getting paid should be easy enough to determine. What the 'truth' is and the matter of lying - that's a tougher question.


13 posted on 08/23/2004 10:02:22 AM PDT by familyofman (nobody's right if everybody's wrong)
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To: jim macomber
They're just reviewing what they did during slick willy's troubles and attacking the truth with their attack dogs. Same old same old.
14 posted on 08/23/2004 10:02:24 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: Voltage

This is becoming HISTORICAL in Election lore.....!


15 posted on 08/23/2004 10:03:22 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: jim macomber

He must have confused SwiftboatVets with Wintersolder.


16 posted on 08/23/2004 10:03:42 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Kerry is a F***Y)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Minor modification to your summary; journalists who support those views believe themselves to be "middle of the road" and thus by definition not biased. That is why it's so insidious.

I also find it appalling that an industry that is so abusive to individuals at large working in it and in support of it at the same time makes the pretense of caring/sharing by proposing massive government programs that effectively push off the "undesirables" (that would be us And the poor) so that they don't have to deal with us anymore.

Which works for them; anything they say and do is good in their narcisstic minds.


17 posted on 08/23/2004 10:04:32 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: TBall

Kerry will not step down, no matter how bad it might look for him.


18 posted on 08/23/2004 10:05:59 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jim macomber

Every time I see another scummy attack on the character of these fine men, I send swiftvets.com another $50. I'm at $200 right now, and every dollar has been well spent.


19 posted on 08/23/2004 10:07:58 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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Clinton's trash and smash tactics just barely worked for Clinton. Kerry's no Clinton, and the Swift Vets have much bigger balls then most of the people who Clinton faced.


20 posted on 08/23/2004 10:08:19 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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