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Exposing Kerry's Vietnam "record" WITHOUT mention of Swift Boat Vets Thread
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Posted on 08/23/2004 9:28:14 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

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I was at Dewey Canyon III and I saw and listened to Jf'nK. I've told the story before, but I've put a few things together in my mind since then ...

I'd been working for the Army/AF Exchange System in Northern Virginia. Inventorying vending machines, for crying out loud. I found out about the veteran's in the Mall by observing army training at the forts. Both for that event, but primarily in riot suppression training for the MayDay events that followed. Really an ugly time.

I was working and living in N.Va, and went into town and found the dudes in the Mall. They were trying to police the perimeter, and you were asked who you were with and non-vets weren't let in, unless the were black, wearing black berets. I worked during the day, then went to the Mall, then crashed in back in Alexandria. The Marines that I found were bonafides, and it was obvious in our bs. None of the little click I was hangin' with was really antiwar, more into pro-party. Anyway, I missed the silliness of the search and destroy in the Monument area, but the dudes told me about it, how ridiculous it was, but how they laughed like children.

I don't remember what day it was, but some of the black beret'ed commies came over to our group and solicited us to go listen to a 'bigtime hero', a Navy Cross winner. Well, we got off our duffs and went to listen to this NC awardee. Marines hold NC awardee's in extreme high regard. What we heard was this commie puppy, John Kerry. His rhetoric was extremely Leninist, replete with references to the proletariat and the worker's struggle, and throughout mixed with comrade this and comrade that. He was introduced as a NC recipient, and did not deny this. For years, I accepted as fact that he had an NC. It was only during this campaign that I realized otherwise. We were not impressed with this commie, and laugh and ridiculed his dogma as we left.

It was shortly after this that our group was solicited to testify before congress to things we had actually done. We refused, on different levels. That what we had done had been done in honor, and that we had no intention of damning our brothers who were still there. The black beret's tried intimidating us into testifying, saying if we did not do it they would have people pretend and to tell the stories for us. It got really hot at this point almost came to blows. I don't remember if I was being held back or holding someone back, I think the former, but the black beret's beat a retreat. It was either this day, or the next that the medal ceremony took place. There was a dude with a bag of who knows what type of medals for whomever would care to pitch them onto the steps. To the best of my knowledge, there was no attempt to limit this to vets, and the majority of those were hippies, pretending to be vets.

This Hubbard dude was there with sKerry, wearin' a black beret, and sKerry had a gaggle of these clowns around him at all times, like handlers/bodyguards. My mates and I recognized Hubbard as a liar right outta the gate. Also in attendance were the wheelchair brigade. 4 of them. I think one was Kovic, but I'm not sure. I do remember my bro's and myself envying the babes that they attending to them, (seemed like they were the onliest ones who were allowed babes). We joked it was no doubt why they were in the antiwar movement.

When Kerry ran for senate, his name rang a bell, and his picture, well, was his picture. He was a whiny communist back then, and he is still a whiny communist. Phuc Hanoi John Kerry!

81 posted on 08/23/2004 10:05:47 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

Thank You Brother!


82 posted on 08/23/2004 10:06:28 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68 grunt; Dawn_USAF; CheneyChick; ODC-GIRL; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; ...

68 grunt 1st hand account of John Kerry at Dewey Canyon III
AND Medal Toss day PING

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1197486/posts?page=81#81


83 posted on 08/23/2004 10:10:16 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68 grunt

Bump..Kerry loves the commies!


84 posted on 08/23/2004 10:13:41 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: 68 grunt

Thank you, 68 grunt!


85 posted on 08/23/2004 10:35:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110

What is Hunt's first name and the title of his book? I haven't read that one and want to look for it.

86 posted on 08/23/2004 10:37:38 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Jim Robinson

You're welcome. Can't say its my pleasure, because through the eyes of history its my shame.


87 posted on 08/23/2004 10:42:26 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Snapple
Now it turns out that according to a 1970 interview he gave the Harvard Crimson, Kerry seems not to have been in Vietnam at Christmas 1969.

Kerry was definitely not in Vietnam in Christmas '69. He was back home planning to run for Congress by then, LOL! Prior to that in October '69 he had helped his sister Peggy fly Adam Walinsky around for the big Vietnam Moratorium demonstrations scheduled for October 15, 1969.

88 posted on 08/23/2004 10:45:45 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: 68 grunt

"because through the eyes of history its my shame"

I disagree Brother

You REFUSED to turn on your Brothers.

Under the circumstances that took a lot of courage.

Hold your head up high!

Welcome Home Brother


89 posted on 08/23/2004 11:41:04 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: 68 grunt

Please, NO shame is due on your part. I join Tonkin is saying "Welcome Home".

God bless you, 68 grunt.


90 posted on 08/23/2004 11:57:19 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (If only hamsters could talk...THEY'D tell you the truth that Upland IS in Pennsylvania!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The Swift Boat Vets didn't write this New York Times story:


91 posted on 08/24/2004 12:56:17 AM PDT by ppaul
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When Mr. Kerry, a spokesman for the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War, attempted to introduce relatives of war prisoners at a news conference, four women shouted, "That's a lie!" and "What office are you going to run for next?"...One of the women accused Mr. Kerry of "Constantly using our own suffering and grief" for his political ambitions.


92 posted on 08/24/2004 1:03:31 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: DocRock

"Amendment XIV, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President ...., who, having previously taken an oath, .....as an officer of the United States, .....to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

Perhaps I can write my congressman and see if he will propose a bill to "remove such disability" from Kerry. (So - when did you stop beating your wife?)


93 posted on 08/24/2004 1:18:30 AM PDT by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: 68 grunt
Freeper N. Theknow says:
"It’s faster than a checkbook, more powerful than a Democratic demagogue, able to lay waste to a liar Kerry with the single click of a mouse. It's a little bird of truth, it's plain to see Kerry's unfit... it's... it's...SuperFReep!

Want to join in the fun?
Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

94 posted on 08/24/2004 2:35:24 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Oops I did it AGAIN! Sorry!


95 posted on 08/24/2004 2:36:40 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


96 posted on 08/24/2004 3:01:51 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: 68 grunt

Kerry has always been a bastard, more than willing to betray his country for personal power.


97 posted on 08/24/2004 5:36:59 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!


98 posted on 08/24/2004 6:54:24 AM PDT by JustPiper (I once had a pinglist a mile long....took me BumPING all day long)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk, I pose these questions to you as the most in-the-know and in the forum on the subject. Forget kerry for a moment... if any one else,any other goofy lieutenant, had served on a ship near the coast,even docking at VN port for most of a year; would he not be considered a Vietnam Vet? Would he not receive at least one and maybe more service medals? And if he in addition finished out a years tour in country,would he not be credited with a full tour? I raise this question because we could be accused of belittling the service of those who served with him on his first ship and maybe others who served a short tour in country.
Me,locked up on Tan Son Nhut,albeit a volunteer, I was safer that year than most,including those out there in boats. Yet I got four service medals. I earned them.
It was kerry's antiwar activities which turned me against him(well I would never have been for him anyway) and all the stories of his self promotion during the time he was in the Navy have just cemented my loathing.


99 posted on 08/24/2004 7:30:35 AM PDT by larryjohnson (Retired USAF)
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To: All
Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense
Wednesday, 25, August, 2004



People can get
Kerry's real book here,
right now,
online FREE!!

From Kerry's "The New Soldier":
Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66

Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.
John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

The New Soldier,
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War

PART I

PART II
PART III

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

100 posted on 08/24/2004 9:57:18 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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