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Offshoring to India will sharply ramp up next year after US elections are over
Business Standard ^ | August 23, 2004 | Subir Roy

Posted on 08/22/2004 2:33:58 PM PDT by Willie Green

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THE NEXT BIG THING/ Western companies are now merely testing the water

Bangalore -- If you think this is a year of impressive growth for offshoring to India, as has been signaled by the first quarter financial results, you ain´t seen nothing yet.

Western firms and independent IT vendors are for the most part marking time, waiting for the US elections to be over. The jobs traveling to India are mainly resulting from the need to take care of growth and attrition and little because of layoffs.

This has resulted in as much as 15 percentage points being shaved off the overall volume growth.

Avinash Vashistha, CEO of the offshoring consultancy neoIT, predicts that next year IT services offered out of India are likely to grow at 40 per cent. The potential for Indian companies in particular is underlined by the small part of global IT services delivered by them.

If this is the optimistic scenario for IT services, for ITES or BPO the potential for growth of offshoring is even greater. So far only a small part of BPO services has migrated to India, dominated mainly by call centre work.

But call centre work is only 3 per cent of the universe of BPO work. “The major challenge and potential lies in getting a slice of the remaining 97 per cent,” says Vashisth.

In software, the ramp up in the immediate future is likely to take the form of the $100-500 million multi-year deals looking to come to India. There is nothing amiss in the ramp up for Indian companies being incremental in nature as that is also the pace being adopted by MNC vendors with captives in India.

They are ahead, with $100 million plus deals already in the bag but the pace of growth for both Indian third parties and captives is gradual.

If offshoring of IT services to India is likely to touch 40 per cent next year, what will enable Indian companies to beat the competition? What is or will remain their USPs?

Indian firms have stolen a march on their nearest competitors, the Philippines, in the last five yeas by improving the capabilities and supply of their middle-level managers. This has enabled the firms to deliver both quality and improved productivity, asserts Vashistha.

There will be a challenge to Indian IT but it will come around three years down the line. And it will be posed by Russia in product development and support, and by Vietnam (its people costs are around half of India´s) in PC-based and new technology-based applications.

But Indian advantage will remain in large enterprise application and end-to-end technology services.

Indian edge will also persist in the telecommunications vertical in which companies like Sasken, Subex and Tarang represent successes in different sizes in both product ownership and development services. This has great potential as once a company´s products or IP click, the cash register simply keeps ringing.

In BPO, future traction is naturally likely to come in transaction processing and more and more elaborate back office services but this will have a significant corporate restructuring dimension, feels Vashistha.

Some of the growth will come from a ramp up in both MNC captives and Indian third party operations. But there will be instances of BOT deals maturing, as also MNCs setting up shop the quick way by acquiring small captives.

But by far the most interesting will be MNCs selling their captives, taking partners in their captives or accepting third party business for what has till now been their captives handling only in house work. GE has the ability and the desire, according to news reports, to accept third party business. EXL has capability to offer in its own vertical, insurance.

Willingness to take on third party work can be the stepping stone to divestment once the business is seen to be maturing. WNS of today was a part of BA earlier. There are also instances of Indian third parties like Crossdomain, till now serving MNCs only in India, seeking to venture out to the developed markets.

“These developments will take time. But captives, and through them the market, will have great capabilities. And some of these captives will become third parties,” says Vashistha.

At a time when there are questions over the future of third party Indian BPOs in an increasingly scale-dominated world, he sees “the market dominated in 5-8 years by third parties, some of which are former captives.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eeyore; globalism; india; joebtfsplk; outsourcing; residentbushbasher; thebusheconomy; trade
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To: Texas Eagle

It sounds like you have it all figured out...have at it.


41 posted on 08/22/2004 6:02:59 PM PDT by lewislynn (Why do the same people who think "free trade" is the answer also want less foreign oil dependence?)
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To: RogueIsland
Something about selling rope comes to mind...

The Indian rope trick?

{{I know what you meant, but THIS came to my mind}}

42 posted on 08/22/2004 6:03:50 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Willie Green

They will offshore and be reshoring a lot of crap within 24-36 months after they have been screwed over. Trust me, offshoring is ok for some stuff, but I personally know of at least 2 muajor corporations who are reshoring jobs after outsourcing the work to India and having it screwed to hell.

Get good at cleaning up poorly architected spaghetti code guys, gonna be doing a lot of it soon.


43 posted on 08/22/2004 6:06:09 PM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: sarcasm; iamright; AM2000; Iscool; wku man; Lael; international american; No_Doll_i; techwench; ...
Thanks for the ping, Sarcasm!

Considering that we already have a (largely) jobless recovery, I expect this will put us into a sharp recession.

Ultimately, there will be political fallout from this nonsense. And that is when the free traitors will learn the meaning of "payback".

If you want on or off my offshoring ping list, please FReepmail me!

44 posted on 08/22/2004 6:51:48 PM PDT by neutrino (Lord, what fools these mortals be! (William Shakespeare, Midsummer Nights Dream))
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To: KC_Conspirator

Taking jobs which are offered to you is not exactly stealing-u call it business sense.If America was in India's place,they would do the same.


45 posted on 08/22/2004 6:56:59 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Willie Green

Before the 92 election, Ross Perot was running around saying that the economy was going to crash right after the election, and that Bush I was doing everything he could to hide it until after the election was over. While I'm concerned about offshoring, this looks like it's out of the same playbook.


46 posted on 08/22/2004 7:00:05 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I want to know what the purpose is of shipping off the good paying jobs that make Americans self sufficient, and importing foreigners to do the jobs that teenagers and unskilled Americans need.

The purpose served is that nothing trumps cheap offshore labor and cheap disposable workers at home.

Nothing.

47 posted on 08/22/2004 7:45:12 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: KC_Conspirator
I am still waiting for India to create something.

Actually, Indians have made significant original contributions in mathematics.

Just recently, Dr. Aggarwal and two students at IIT solved one of the oldest open problems in mathematics.

The Indian mathematician Ramanujan was one of the greatest mathematicians ever, a real wild talent. His collaboration with Hardy and Littlewood is one of the great stories in mathematics of the last two hundred years.

48 posted on 08/22/2004 7:47:54 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Euro-American Scum

bump with no comment


49 posted on 08/22/2004 7:54:02 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: CAPTAIN PHOTON
I tend to think Republicans who don;t favor outsourcing also oppose the "in-sourcing" of mass immigration.
50 posted on 08/22/2004 8:10:25 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: asmith92008; sarcasm; neutrino
I tend to think Republicans who don;t favor outsourcing also oppose the "in-sourcing" of mass immigration.

They don't favor outsourcing? Since when?

As for immigration. Nothing makes a Republican smile like a cheap, disposable, throw-away worker. Use 'em up, throw 'em away, let the taxpayers take care of 'em.

51 posted on 08/22/2004 8:25:47 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum
I think we actually agree. My point was that free traitors also tend to favor open borders. Anything to drive American wages down.
52 posted on 08/22/2004 8:40:49 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Willie Green; KC_Conspirator; CarrotAndStick; PokeyJoe; TheSpottedOwl
Seems like they're into Satellite launches now. Off to launch, eh?

I am still waiting for India to create something.

well, your wait is over -- The numeric system you're using is Indian as well as the concept of 0. nuff said.....

It's ironic that India is worrying about the competition for American jobs from the Phillipines, Vietnam, and Russia.

Actually, it's not outsourcing -- it is importing of services, no different than if you import a German car or a Japanese TV.
53 posted on 08/23/2004 12:09:45 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Texas Eagle
Okay, here's the part that confuses me. Let's say I buy a 1.27 million Duong for one thousand dollars. And five years from now it trades for 600:1. If I sell at that point, I would have doubled my investment. Is that right?

That is provided the exchange actually rises and we don't have rampant inflation
54 posted on 08/23/2004 12:10:24 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: KC_Conspirator

As a Managing Director of GM in Asia, why should I offshore my work requirements to the US and pay $150/hr, when I can offshore my work to India for $25/hr. If you don't want to compete in the global workspace, keep your companies and products local.


55 posted on 08/23/2004 12:49:26 AM PDT by USMMA_83
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To: USMMA_83

that hits the nail on the head. The Chinese and Indian buyers will not buy expensive products ( hardware and software ) just to keep up wages for western workers high unless there is a dramatic difference in quality. The companies know it - their largest future markets are India and China - huge population, large and hungry middle class. Hungry for cars , plasma TVs and building wider roads and taller buildings...and using up much of world's oil ( see why it is 50$ today ? ).

US can develop leadership once again by developing non-gasoline techologies and sell it to these countries which are frenzied consumers of oil. Or would you like Japanese to win this one as well ?


56 posted on 08/23/2004 1:48:49 AM PDT by anu_shr
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To: anu_shr

Well, that's exactly what is going to happen. Instead of our taking the lead, we will follow Japan into India and lose. And why? Just check out the cars Japan assembles in India, and the ones Ford, Chevrolet import into India. It's a freggin' joke. There used to be a billion Indians who did not know any Ford jokes...now alas...it's too late.


57 posted on 08/23/2004 2:12:20 AM PDT by USMMA_83
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To: Euro-American Scum

Well if an underground economy takes off, and I don't mean manufacturing bedspreads in the garage, then they will only have themselves to blame. People need to feed their families. What's going to happen to CA real estate? Splat!


58 posted on 08/23/2004 5:59:19 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: USMMA_83

I don't share your disdain and low opinion of your country and fellow citizens.


59 posted on 08/23/2004 6:56:28 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Texas Eagle

YOu can go into funds that are India centric with tech companies.

Direct investment in the Sensex, Bombay stock exchange via dollar investments can be done, too.

Additionally, some Indian firms, Wipro, InfoSys, Tata are traded on the NYSE, IIRC.


60 posted on 08/23/2004 9:36:13 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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