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3. Deal the monsters a setback.

4. Play the waiting game.

1 posted on 08/21/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by lowbridge
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I live in the People's Republic of Boulder County in Colorado. The Libs in this area have made a science out of violating people's property rights using tactics such as those listed in this article. If you let this sort of mentality get a foothold in your community you are headed down a path of NIMBYism (Not In My Back Yard) and will have hordes of IGMEELs (I Got Mine, Everybody Else Leave). This will not only steal people's legitimate property rights, but will tear neighborhoods apart by pitting neighbors against neighbor. I know. I have seen it in spades! Lastly, your community will become an "elite" area where average folks cannot afford to live and your children will have to leave when they grow up. Minorities will be driven out by economics and "trust babies" who have no idea how to work for a living will take over.

If you care about these kinds of issues, you might consider attending the National Property Rights Conference that will be in Sandusky, OH on Sep 10-12. If folks like Freepers don't help defend property rights against the Libs, we are in big trouble!


81 posted on 08/21/2004 2:22:51 PM PDT by Laserman
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Matters of legality aside (clearly one's property, within zoning laws passed through democratic process, is one's own)--I understand the outrage of taste some of these monstrous piles induce. Having a Trophy Mansion built next door that is hideous, but hugely expensive, can uglify one's neighborhood. If you cherish the appearance of that neighborhood, it's not just a matter of class envy when a house the size of WalMart goes up in a street of attractive smaller homes.

I watch behemoths rise in the resort lakeside developments not too far from my own rural area. I've concluded that it is very difficult to make a house over 7000sq ft attractive. Houses this big look like overweight people look--swollen and ungraceful. Bloating walls out to the edges of lots that cannot be large enough to contain it. Houses this big need more than an acre, and really more than two.

And the obvious efforts to attract attn are vulgar and ugly as well--like one house I've seen on the promentory of a water lot, painted bright white. Your eye must fasten on that structure rather than the water around it--but the locals have taken to calling it "Alcatraz." It does have rather the look of an enormous correctional facility.

87 posted on 08/21/2004 2:33:02 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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Let me tell you about the West End of Richmond. While everyone is within their rights and the homes are beautiful, McMansion neighborhoods have really changed our area of town. It is not uncommon to find neighborhoods of $350+ homes built AROUND existing homes, usually single floor older homes. The older homeowners probably love their homes and didn't want to sell, so now they are surrounded by fabulous houses on denuded lots barely big enough. I just wish they would keep some of the trees considering how lush this part of town is. Another scenario is a group of new McMansions who build on undeveloped building lots in a neighborhood of smaller, older houses. It looks VERY strange and the existing homes are completely dwarfed.

We look at all the new models in all the new neighborhoods. With just 3 of us, we don't really need a 5 br house or 3500 square feet or a big mortgage. We always breath a little easier when we come home to our heavily wooded neighborhood of modest, older homes.

Hey, to each his own. And yes, sometimes I envy the big rooms, closets, gourmet kitchens, garden tubs, and screened in porches. But thank God we live in a free country where a McMansion is only a decision and signature away if we want it.

90 posted on 08/21/2004 2:50:10 PM PDT by kdot
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Hmmm. Let's see....I can't have a large home b/c that would make my neighbors envious and therefore, I am evil, I can't drive an SUV b/c it might be a bigger car then my neighbors car and I would have to use more gasoline which must mean that I am rich and therefore, I am evil. I have a good idea. Let's do away with the American Dream and require everyone to drive the same, small vehicle and all live in small homes. I have another idea. Let's all wear uniforms too........


114 posted on 08/21/2004 4:28:25 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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Your new neighbor. November, 2004.


117 posted on 08/21/2004 4:38:59 PM PDT by Fintan (I don't need to know what it looks like to know what it looks like.)
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Your big house neighbor will be paying more taxes on his palace, which will ease the tax burden on your shotgun shack.


119 posted on 08/21/2004 5:02:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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We're fixing to add 1600 sq. feet to our 2100 sq. foot house! Our neighbors are worried because we're doing the work ourselves. They don't have a clue because neither of them has ever done any construction work. My Daddy was a carpenter, and hubby's Daddy was a Contractor. We decided we had to do this ourselves in their memory and to honor what they passed on to us! In turn, we're teaching our kids about carpentry, electrical service and plumbing! This knowledge will hold them in good stead when they go off on their own!

I figure when we do this addition, several families on the street who had been thinking of moving to a larger house, but didn't really want to leave the neighborhood, might consider remodeling theirs since we'd be giving them cover and theirs wouldn't be overpriced for the neighborhood. We're willing to take that chance, but we live on a lovely cul de sac, so I don't think we'll do too badly since we likely won't be in the market to sell for another 10 years!

121 posted on 08/21/2004 5:07:17 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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It's something like that here --- they're building 3000-4000 sq ft homes on postage stamp yards so the neighborhood is working on zoning rules that land can't be sold in less than 2 acres which should help the problem.


122 posted on 08/21/2004 5:09:05 PM PDT by FITZ
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There are only two legitimate approaches to prevent an adjacent property owner from building whatever he/she wants (assuming it's not a real safety hazard or something).

1.) Politely attempt to persuade the owner to do something else.

2.) Persuade the owner to sell you the property.

Anything else is totalitarianism. If these don't work,

3.) Shut up and MYOB, or

4.) Move somewhere else.


138 posted on 08/21/2004 6:00:11 PM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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"How can you fight "McMansion" expansion where you live?"

This is psychological warfare from homeowners' associations, developers and lenders. There's hardly any such problem.

The real problem is that very few properties sell without opportunistic covenants attached, forbidding the building of any smaller houses. I recently saw news from a development where the who's-who of the homeowners' association is confiscating their neighbors' homes through the courts. ...binoculars, cameras, suits--the whole thing. In another development, "raw land" buyers see the covenants that are disclosed during the purchase. Then, after they've bought their property, the much more huge requirements of the "architectural committee" are revealed. The buyers stand cheated.

As the situation is now, it's more difficult than ever for small developers or homeowner-builders to build anything of value in any place of value. ...and far easier for the bank/builder teams to do so. Even interest rates are rigged to dissallow land owners from building their own houses, not to mention what county building departments will do in efforts to force individual home owner/builders to hire builders instead of building on their own.

Folks, you will start fighting for your property rights, or you will lose them all to become tenants.

And if someone wants to build or add on to a larger house next door to me, that's more than fine with me.
150 posted on 08/21/2004 6:26:47 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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How to stop a McMansion next door?

1. Offer to pay more for the land than any other potential neighbors.

There are no other ways to be sure unless it's YOUR property....... Otherwise, quit whining.


157 posted on 08/21/2004 7:30:40 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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171 posted on 08/22/2004 5:45:36 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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"Big" is a relative term. The biggest may be old Victorians in the city centers or smalll towns that are enormous and cost much to renovate and update...not to mention the cost of heating them. A 3000 + sq ft home may be more cost efficient than a 1500 sq ft home. It all depends on the construction, materials, and latest technology used in the siting and building.

I wonder why she forgot to point her critical finger as well at Ted Turner, he of the thousands of acres and mega mansions.


188 posted on 08/22/2004 10:34:19 AM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God for John Ashcroft: Four more years!)
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Paraphrasing the lines here in an exchange between Dr Yuri Zhivago and his half-brother, Yevgrav, who is a bolshevik police commissar. Yuri has just returned to Moscow to find his house has been requisitioned and divided among something like 12 families:

Yevgrav: There was room for 12 families here in this house alone!

Yuri (feigning agreement): Yes, it's much more fair this way.

Yevgrav: We have cut out the tumors of injustice!

Yuri (looking at the once glorious house and city now a slum in shambles): You cut out the tumors of injustice, but you failed to preserve the vital organs!

Funny, isn't it? That CNN would publish an article largely in agreement with the bolsheviks of Russia?

211 posted on 08/22/2004 12:53:47 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Free Brigitte Bardot.)
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I had a medium-sized, but unbelievably ugly piece of crap built next to me, complete with its own hideous Walmart-clearance-aisle streetlights. It looks like a replica of a suburban-Phoenix 7/11 store.

What the hell can I do about that?

222 posted on 08/22/2004 4:33:03 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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I think people should shut up.. Whatever happend to private property?


232 posted on 08/22/2004 5:21:03 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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