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The monster house next door. 5 Tips: Preventing a "McMansion" next to your bungalow.
CNN ^ | 8/20/04 | Gerri Willis

Posted on 08/21/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by lowbridge

For many Americans, bigger is better when it comes to their homes. The facts speak for themselves: According to the Census Bureau, the average home size has swelled 40 percent since the early 70's.

According to National Association of Homebuilders, 19 percent of homes built in 2003 were 3,000 square feet or more. But the appetite for larger and larger homes has run afoul of some. Namely those who've watched super-sized structures crop up next door.

How can you fight "McMansion" expansion where you live? Here are today's 5 Tips.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cnn; housing; landuse; propertyrights; zoning
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To: pageonetoo

Are you young and single ? A lot of people would want to know.


41 posted on 08/21/2004 1:25:22 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Porterville
The McMansions are relatively cheap to build compared to the value of the soil in which they are being built. A 6,000 square foot lot where I live is selling for 300,000 grand . .

I am sooooo glad I live in fly-over country when I hear figures like this.

I live in a 50's ranch neighborhood that has a new development going up across the street. The land alone (half acre lots) is going for $90,000. That is UNHEARD of in these parts.

Six years ago I bought a nice 3 bedroom ranch and 3/4 acre corner lot for $140,000.

42 posted on 08/21/2004 1:27:03 PM PDT by WIladyconservative (Proud monthly donor - ARE YOU???)
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To: lowbridge
"5 Tips: Preventing a 'McMansion' next to your bungalow."

Tip #1: "Buy the property yourself, which is the only way you have any legitimate right to determine how it is used."

Tips #2 through #5: See tip #1.

43 posted on 08/21/2004 1:29:08 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Porterville
Do you know many professions including medicine that can afford a mortgage of 600,000 dollars if they have to purchase the investment without the help of mommy and daddy- which I suspect is how many of the flamers on this board "earned" the houses that they live.

Not exactly. The area where I live has undergone a few years of unprecedented property appreciation. Some 2500sf homes which sold for $70K 20 years ago are now selling for $450K. That's a house that's probably been paid off, so the sale price is pure profit (no tax if held for more than 2 years).

Combine that with the fact that the seller is probably someone in their late 40s to early 50s (their prime earning years) with a good income and has been investing for 15 or 20 years.

That makes a $700 to $800K house within reach of some who makes less than a doctor's income.

44 posted on 08/21/2004 1:30:06 PM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: sauropod
Why shouldn't people be allowed to build what they want? It's typical leftist class warfare. "I can't afford a house that big, so you shouldn't be able to have one either." Under what possible form of logic can anyone claim that a big house impacts a neighborhood in a negative way? Even if it did, the property owner may do whatever he or she chooses to do with his or her property. Good point you made.
45 posted on 08/21/2004 1:32:15 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Paul Atreides
Well, it was only a matter of time, after the attacks on SUV owners. I can just hear some people: "They have a big house, a nice lawn, and a three-car garage. It's so unfair! They're hurting my self-esteem." I was just going to mention the SUV argument. People who can't afford an SUV whine like little school children about those who can.
46 posted on 08/21/2004 1:34:14 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: harrycarey

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47 posted on 08/21/2004 1:34:15 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: Porterville
People from LA are selling their homes for cash

To whom? Apparently somebody could afford them.

and buying/speculating on houses N. of Ventura and the Grapevine for cash.

Good for them. Now the prices of their new houses will either go up or down. If they go up, that means the demand for them has gone up (i.e., people are buying them). If the prices go down, it means that housing is becoming more affordable.

Do you know many professions including medicine that can afford a mortgage of 600,000 dollars if they have to purchase the investment without the help of mommy and daddy-

That's calculable. A 600,000 mortgage at 5% for 30 years would have a mortgage payment of $3220.93 per month. The threshold for "affordable" housing is canonically given as a mortgage payment that is less than a third of your gross income. So the threshold in this case is $116,000 per year. Yes, there are a lot of professions where one could technically afford this mortgage.

which I suspect is how many of the flamers on this board "earned" the houses that they live.

If people have such resources available, then they can afford more, as far as the market is concerned. The market doesn't know or care who "earned" their houses, any more than it knows who "deserves" to make $116,000 per year.

48 posted on 08/21/2004 1:34:48 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: harrycarey

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49 posted on 08/21/2004 1:35:11 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: CobaltBlue
My next door neighbors doubled the size of their house but only got a permit to put on a porch. This is a violation of which one of your Constitutional rights?
50 posted on 08/21/2004 1:37:53 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

When fortunes change, and the Mcmansion becomes the Mc boarding house, with heaps of illegals, then the law and order folk want a crackdown..everyone wants zoning laws to protect their property, and they want the right to circumvent those laws when it's convenient. That's America.


51 posted on 08/21/2004 1:38:12 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: Physicist
Well you must be a physicist, because the real world eludes you. LOL, I recommend you buy, then when you are desperate to sell look me up prof.
52 posted on 08/21/2004 1:39:14 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: Paul Atreides

6. Start a pig farm in the back yard.


53 posted on 08/21/2004 1:39:32 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Inkie
That's fine if the lot is big enough to accommodate it. However, if they're going to build a mansion that completely intrudes on the house next door, then there are two property owners whose rights must be considered, not one. Externalities matter. Freedom from big government is not freedom in stomp all over other people. If the house is situated within the boundaries of the owner's property, then under what premise can it be claimed to "intrude" on the house next door? Who is to determine if the lot is "big enough" to accommodate it? You or the property owner?
54 posted on 08/21/2004 1:42:56 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: RockinRight

"Personally, I think about 1800 square feet is ideal. Large enough to have breathing room but not so big and not a McMansion..."

Me, I think that double that is just about right. Guess it all depends on what you do in your home, and I need space to entertain and work. Plus a huge garage for all those projects, heh, heh...


55 posted on 08/21/2004 1:44:14 PM PDT by busterspam
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To: tdadams
"I'm about as libertarian and pro-property rights as they come, however I do concede that I see some wisdom in zoning laws when it comes to historical neighborhoods."

Amendment V

"nor shall private property be taken for public use without compensation."

If a community wants to "preserve" a historical district, then the community must compensate the private property owners for the cost to preserve the property in the manner in which the community wishes for it to preserved.

Remember the "preservation" is for "public use."

56 posted on 08/21/2004 1:44:49 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: SALChamps03

It's a violation of the zoning laws. When they try to sell their house, I will make sure the buyer knows that the county never inspected the plumbing, the electrical wiring, the foundation, the roof, nor the fireplace.

Why? Well, because they went to the county to try to get rid of my beehives.

Revenge is a dish which is best eaten cold. ;^)


57 posted on 08/21/2004 1:45:22 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Eat American honey.)
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To: tdadams
Exactly, chiefly retiree's which is fine; but how does CA attract young professional with families? Yeah, I know a fair amount of people who make over 100 K per year but with children, in their early 40's... with the State and Fed Taxes... college around the corner... it is tough stuff.

I am working on ways to pull off a property here along the coast; but I'm not sure I want to pay for a lot the same it would cost me for a ranch in Idaho along a river bed.

If all you attract are retiree's, then all you are those not producing. The renters, are the young. The professionals are all looking for jobs outside the state.

What is left?

58 posted on 08/21/2004 1:45:30 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: sauropod
Why shouldn't people be allowed to build what they want?

Ask the people building/living in the McMansions...They likely won't have the same sentiments.

59 posted on 08/21/2004 1:46:12 PM PDT by lewislynn (Why do the same people who think "free trade" is the answer also want less foreign oil dependence?)
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To: Mr. Bird

Are you guilt ridden?


60 posted on 08/21/2004 1:48:45 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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