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1 posted on 08/20/2004 10:55:18 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

Hey, isn't Deroy a FReeper??


2 posted on 08/20/2004 11:00:52 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: ambrose

Good points. If Kerry has nothing to hide, he should simply sign the SF180 and release the records. Personally, I don't know which side is telling the truth, but I'd like to find out. I'm certain the mainstream media is doing everything it can to verify the facts. Certainly they wouldn't discount one side or the other without researching all of the data (extreme sarcasm).


3 posted on 08/20/2004 11:04:17 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: ambrose

His records are not open. Sadly only a vet would know that. Hids medical records would be rather revealing. I keep hearing that he has shrapnel in his left leg (Edwards just repeated it this week) but from all I have read he was wounded in the arm twice and in the buttocks once. The severity would be in the medical files.
The only thing of real interest in his files would be the recommendations for his medals. Particularly his first PH.
Most of the stuff that proves he's a fraud is actually available via FOI. Things like after action reports, repair logs for his boats, commendations for his crew. The medical records for Alston, although I suspect muster reports from An Thoi will tell when he went back to the 94.


4 posted on 08/20/2004 11:05:42 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Kerry is Toast du Francai')
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To: ambrose

Kerry's records were open before they were closed.


6 posted on 08/20/2004 11:07:11 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: ambrose
All Kerry has to do is sign the Standard Form 180 and this all would clear up, one way or the other. He says he has his military records on his website. But they are not ALL there... just the portions he selected to show.


8 posted on 08/21/2004 12:12:19 AM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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***Although the ad makes it appear as if Kerry is recounting atrocities he witnessed, he in fact was reciting claims made by soldiers that year during an anti-war gathering in Detroit. "They had personally raped, cut off heads, cut off ears," he told senators.

Reflecting on those comments this year, Kerry said they were too harsh. "I think some of the language that I used was a language that reflected an anger. ... The words were honest, but on the other hand, they were a little bit over the top," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in April. *** Source

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Unfit for Command [Excerpt] Kerry's testimony to the Fulbright Committee was a carefully orchestrated piece of political theater. Fulbright wanted a presentable, young Kennedy-esque face to put on the antiwar effort, and Kerry wanted a national forum from which to launch his climb to political celebrity. Ted Kennedy helped arrange Kerry's testimony with Senator Fulbright at a private fundraising event held at the home of Democratic senator Philip A. Hart of Michigan.

………Once Kerry learned that he would have the chance to give testimony before the committee, he recruited the assistance of Adam Walinsky, a speechwriter noted for his work with Robert Kennedy. Walinsky drafted the speech and coached Kerry on its delivery. The only image Kerry wanted us to see was a myth: a young man with a burning passion for the truth, the leader forced to sleep on the ground, the man answering his country's call to be where he was urgently needed, before a committee of the United States Senate where the senators and America were urgently waiting for his firsthand criticism of the war. He porceeded to level his charges: [End Excerpt]

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I'm beginning to wonder how long this political theater was in the making.

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Kerry's World: Father Knows Best****……….As early as prep school, John Kerry showed signs that he shared his father's suspicions about America's cold war foreign policy. In a debate at St. Paul's in the late '50s, he argued that the United States should establish relations with Red China. During his junior year at Yale, he won a speech prize for an oration warning, "It is the specter of Western Imperialism that causes more fear among Africans and Asians than communism, and thus it is self-defeating." And, when he was tapped to deliver a graduation speech in 1966, he used the occasion to condemn U.S. involvement in Vietnam, intoning, "What was an excess of isolationism has become an excess of interventionism."……….***

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John Kerry testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by William Fulbright, in April 1971. Photo UPI

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New Swift Boat Ad


A frame grab shows Vietnam war-era Swift boat veteran Ken Cordier speaking during a television commercial over Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry 's war record. Kerry asked the Federal Election Commission August 20, 2004 to force Republican critics to withdraw the ads challenging his military service, and accused the Bush campaign of illegally helping coordinate the attacks. Photo by Swiftvets.Com/Reuters

9 posted on 08/21/2004 1:20:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ambrose

"Rashomon" teaches cinematically, that the same event viewed by different people from various angles can yield sincere but conflicting recollections."

Except that isn't the case here. This isn't about different versions of the same incidents. Kerry has been caught in a lie about Cambodia so we know this isn't two different versions of events. Furthermore, by his own admission he spent less than two days in an infirmary for three so called wounds. I don't need another witness to know something smells of dead fish here.


10 posted on 08/21/2004 1:26:11 AM PDT by Casloy
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"It’s faster than a checkbook, more powerful than a Democratic demagogue, able to lay waste to a liar Kerry with the single click of a mouse. It's a little bird of truth, it's plain to see Kerry's unfit... it's... it's...SuperFReep!

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11 posted on 08/21/2004 5:02:00 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: ambrose

I would also like to see Kerry's marriage records. Was he
married in the Catholic Church? Did he get an annulment
from his first mariage from the Catholic Church? Was
his first marriage in the Catholic Church?


12 posted on 08/21/2004 5:10:17 AM PDT by Renatus
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To: ambrose

BTTT


15 posted on 08/21/2004 6:32:12 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: ambrose
I am surprised when the writer states:
"Clanton's statement may be perfectly valid, but how can anyone know for sure, any more than Americans can be perfectly confident about President Bush's also reputedly public service records?"
This seems to indicate the Bush has also not signed a 180, or is it just a poorly constructed sentence?
16 posted on 08/21/2004 6:40:02 AM PDT by finnigan2
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Why James Rassman Is Honestly Mistaken About John Kerry Saving His Life And John Kerry Is Shamelessly Exploiting The Situation
17 posted on 08/21/2004 8:57:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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