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To: princess leah
These vets have NOTHING to gain from lying

That's not exactly accurate. The reason for what they're doing is to help re-elect President Bush and to make sure that Kerry isn't elected. That's a good goal, and what they're doing is certainly necessary, but they certainly have something to gain: a second term for the Presidential candidate they prefer.

And be clear that I don't think that they're lying. I'm only pointing out that they have a motivation and an end that they are trying to bring about.

So, while I make sure it's clear that I don't think they're lying, if they were they would have something to gain by doing it -- and that's why the media is looking for cracks in their story, to make it look like they're lying, or at least to shed doubt on their version of events.

83 posted on 08/19/2004 2:37:29 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator
The reason for what they're doing is to help re-elect President Bush and to make sure that Kerry isn't elected.

That statement is only half-true.

They're silent on GWB, as well they should be.

They didn't even form the organization until kerry had gotten the nomination. If kerry weren't the nominee, we never would have heard of the Swiftees.

97 posted on 08/19/2004 3:04:51 PM PDT by Bob
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To: cogitator
"The reason for what they're doing is to help re-elect President Bush and to make sure that Kerry isn't elected."

You're wrong. They have NOTHING WHATEVER to gain by lying. They're not out to get President Bush reelected, that's a Kerry campaign talking point. Not accusing you, it's just that you might be absorbing it without knowing it.

They're out to regain THEIR HONOR, STOLEN BY MEN LIKE HANOI JOHN KERRY WITH THEIR LIES AND COOPERATION WITH THE ENEMY. THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR HEARTS OF HEARTS HE IS A TRAITOR TO HIS BROTHERS IN ARMS AND A TRAITOR TO HIS COUNTRY, WHO CONTINUES BETRAYING BOTH HIS BROTHERS IN ARMS AND SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY TO THIS DAY. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SIMPLE POLITICS.

IF THEY LIE THEY WILL BE FOUND OUT AND THEY WILL LOSE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING : SELF RESPECT, QUITE POSSIBLY THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR HONOR, AND THEIR COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY

123 posted on 08/19/2004 3:38:18 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cogitator
These vets have NOTHING to gain from lying

That's not exactly accurate. The reason for what they're doing is to help re-elect President Bush and to make sure that Kerry isn't elected. That's a good goal, and what they're doing is certainly necessary, but they certainly have something to gain: a second term for the Presidential candidate they prefer.

I think you are wrong here. There are Republican and Democrat swift vets. Their point is not the re-election of President Bush but pay back for Kerry's betrayal of all vets after he came home. That episode in history left very deep scars to many vets and the hatered of him and others like him runs very deep.

Payback is a b*#*#..

160 posted on 08/19/2004 6:46:57 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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