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Health-care future in doubt (Canada)
The London Free Press (Canada) ^ | Aug 17 2004 | editors

Posted on 08/17/2004 5:53:43 PM PDT by freeforall

Health-care future in doubt

Considering that not only well-being, but life itself, can depend on good health care, it is troubling that public confidence in medicare continues to erode.

Only 45 per cent of respondents believed their children or grandchildren will receive health care of the quality Canadians get today, according to an Ipsos-Reid poll commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association. Thirty per cent gave public health care a C grade, and 11 per cent gave it an F.

Prime Minister Paul Martin and the provincial premiers will confront this nation's No. 1 priority when they meet to -- in Martin's words -- "fix health care for a generation," beginning Sept. 13. Canadians can hope they put politics aside and agree to a feasible, meaningful restoration of our health-care system.

But at least three omens point to failure:

# Martin, while championing the salvation of health care as his foremost goal in the recent election, promised only $9 billion in federal funds for it -- over 10 years. Let's hope he lowballed the figure to allow for negotiating room.

# Meeting on health care late last month, the premiers proposed that Ottawa institute, and pay for, universal pharmacare. The plan would cost $7 billion to $12 billion a year, and the federal government doesn't have the money. The premiers have begun this all-important dialogue with the crassest of grandstanding.

# Martin says next month's first ministers' meeting will be televised. Perhaps Martin thinks he'll best the premiers at arm-twisting under the glare of TV lights. On the other hand, political posturing could scuttle a useful accord.

Martin is the author of the crisis in Canada's health-care system. In his deficit-fighting zeal as finance minister, he cut federal health transfers to 16 per cent, plus tax points. Medicare started out 50-50, until then-prime minister Pierre Trudeau cut Ottawa's share to 25 per cent while handing tax points to the provinces. Ironically, the prime minister is in position to be seen as the saviour of a mess of his creation. He has claimed he'll come up with money by cutting costs in existing programs. We've heard that before -- and seen the results.

The public is sick and tired of big talk and no action on this issue.

Prompt access to excellent medical care has come to be taken as a right of all Canadians. Yet public cynicism about the future of medicare is a measure of the public's loss of hope in the political process.

It's up to Martin and the premiers to prove otherwise. Lives are at stake.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: healthcare; socializedmedicine
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The collapse of medicare in Canada.
1 posted on 08/17/2004 5:53:43 PM PDT by freeforall
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To: freeforall

...just in time for liberals to NOT get the hint.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 5:55:32 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: freeforall

Bribing and manipulating the public with their own money is at its ugliest when the issues are life and death.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 5:59:09 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: freeforall
...but ... but ... but ... isn't this what Hillery, Daschle, Kerry, Kennedy, et.al want to give us?????
4 posted on 08/17/2004 6:01:49 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: freeforall

None of the government healthcare plans around the world live up to the hype from the socialists. Nothing new here really, but it's always good to reinforce truth! Thanks.


5 posted on 08/17/2004 6:03:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: freeforall

Which means, in spite of the evidence, the Left are going to find a way to implement this, one way or another, in our country.


6 posted on 08/17/2004 6:05:42 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Morality anchored to the 'definitions' of man is not anchored at all. - Petronski)
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Choice in Health Care Insurers
Encouraging personal responsibility for health; ending the government monopoly on healthcare insurance.

In Ontario, no person or company is permitted to compete with the government's health care insurance plan. The government has a monopoly. The government, despite all we know about monopolies when it comes to such things as gasoline prices - e.g., inflated prices - tells you that the government's monopoly is good; that competition is somehow a bad thing. But, if the government health care insurance is so good, why does the government fear competition?

The fact is that the Ontario monopoly on health care insurance is not good. Worse, it leads to expensive over-use of the health care system. Here's why. In Ontario, people can over-eat, abuse alcohol and tobacco, avoid any physical exercise at all, and not have to worry about the effect that such irresponsible behaviour will have on the cost of their healthcare insurance: some other person will be forced to pay, with higher taxes, for the excess healthcare services they use. The result is predictable. Not having to worry about the cost of health-care insurance, many people choose to take little responsibility for their personal health: they eat poorly, abuse alcohol or tobacco, or become physically inactive. Their health care usage goes up: health care costs go up for everyone. Taxes are increased and health-care services are cut back. Drug companies realize bigger profits, while Ontarians and the quality of health-care in Ontario suffer.

Such a system of health care funding defies common sense and fairness. We would all expect dangerous driving and accidents to increase if speeding tickets and accidents had no effect on the cost of our auto-insurance: clearly, the total cost of insuring drivers would increase to cover all of the extra damages. But would we agree to let the government set up an auto-insurance monopoly and raise our taxes so that irresponsible drivers do not have to pay more for their insurance? Of course not. We all know that, if a person knows his insurance will increase if he drives irresponsibly, the person will be encouraged to drive responsibly. The same is true of health: if a person knows his healthcare insurance will increase if he eats, drinks or smokes too much, or if he is physically inactive, the person will be encouraged not to overeat, not to smoke and drink, and to get more physically active.

Why do the other parties refuse to allow competition? Because those who do not want to take personal responsibility for the consequences of their poor lifestyle choices will sometimes vote for a party that will continue to make everyone else pay for the extra healthcare services that result from their irresponsible lifestyle choices. But, if we continue down that road, the health of Ontarians will continue to erode, and health care costs will continue to increase. The responsible thing to do is to encourage everyone to live a more healthy lifestyle.

Healthcare will always be necessary, and it will always be one of the more expensive services in our lives, and the cost of health care will increase as our population ages. But by allowing competition in healthcare insurance, healthcare insurance companies will offer lower premiums to people who live healthy lifestyles. Ontarians will have a reason to eat well, to avoid unhealthy substances, and to be physically active. We will be a healthier, happier society with a decreased dependence on medical services. By using health care less, the cost of healthcare will be lowered.

Accordingly, the Freedom Party of Ontario is opposed to the current government monopoly on health care insurance. We would remove the current prohibitions against competition in healthcare insurance and discontinue the current, irresponsible government health insurance monopoly.


Choice in Health Care Service Providers
Greater availability of health care services; allowing competition.

Currently in Ontario, the government prevents competition in the provision of many healthcare services. There is only one business selling healthcare services: the Ontario government. The results are the same as in any other monopoly: there is little incentive to provide customers with faster service, or with more courteous or higher quality service. The provider - in reality, a group of politicians - doesn't have to provide better services to keep customers because the customer has no competitor to turn to.

Some politicians argue that with a government monopoly, the profit can be cut out of the costs of health care, such that health-care costs will be lowered. This is false and misleading. All that is really happening is that those politicians hold off on improvements to health care technology and infrastructure in the short term: seeking votes, they cut back on taxes that are needed in a government monopoly to keep services at an acceptable level and to keep the infrastructure from falling into disrepair. Because no competition is permitted within Ontario, patients either suffer through with the underfunded system or pay for better services in other provinces or in the USA. Then, when the Ontario medical infrastructure is in a shambles, and patients are so poorly treated that unnecessary harm and deaths occur, the politicians declare a health care crisis so that, when they impose higher taxes or health-care levies, they will not be punished at the ballot box for doing so. You might never have thought of it before, but those tax increases and levies are the government's brand of profits: it is false that a politician-run monopoly can run a healthcare system cheaper and better than a business.

Some politicians argue that allowing other health care providers to compete with government health care services would make for a "two-tier" system. In case you do not know already, that's a system in which you are free to direct your healthcare dollars to the healthcare provider of your choice. Politicians who oppose a "two-tier" system want to deprive you of the freedom to spending any of your earnings on health care services because, if they allowed competition with their own system, we would all see just how much better health care can be.

Even some people who are not politicians want to deprive you of the freedom to spend any of your earnings on health care services. They actually believe that it is more important for everyone to have the same services than for the services to be good. This argument clearly is flawed. If we all had only one dollar's worth of health care per year, we would all have the same quality of service, but it would be extremely poor service. If the quality of all health care services is to improve, we must stop trying to justify a monopoly with rhetoric about sameness. Quality must be the most important goal if healthcare is to be well in Ontario, and quality will be restored only if government health care has to face competition from other health care providers within Ontario. Who makes you well, and whose medical services satisfy your needs, should be your choice, not the Premier's choice.

The Freedom Party of Ontario is offering Ontarians the power to choose their healthcare providers in Ontario. We support the freedom of other health care providers to compete with government health care services. Knowing that providers who give their patients poor service will lose your business, all healthcare providers will be encouraged to cut costs and improve service to you and to other patients. And, by lifting the ban on competition, the number of providers in Ontario will increase: with more providers, services will be available when they are needed, not after it is too late. And, by allowing competition at home, Ontarians will no longer have to travel to othr jurisdictions to obtain the services they need, when they need them: they will spend their money at home, with the emotional support of nearby family and friends.


7 posted on 08/17/2004 6:07:25 PM PDT by freeforall
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To: freeforall

You'd think that with the savings from not having any real military, they could afford their health system. Obviously not.


8 posted on 08/17/2004 6:07:45 PM PDT by hershey
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To: freeforall
Prompt access to excellent medical care has come to be taken as a right of all Canadians.

And that is the root of the problem, right there. Nobody has a "right" to the fruits of another's labor.

9 posted on 08/17/2004 6:08:26 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: freeforall
The citizens in the modern nation state have less and less discretionary income. Further, regardless of political policies it is unlikely they will get more. A full fifty percent of working Americans pay no Federal Income Tax at all and still have no savings and no appreciable discretionary income.

The problem with high tech and high value medicine is that when you really get sick it really gets expensive. When I managed an HMO in the early 90's 95% of our enrollees had medical bills less than $2500 per annum.

It would seem natural if governments were wise they would focus on "stop loss insurance" or some other remedy as a blanket benefit and leave the remainder to the private and local public sectors. In this fashion, costs could be anticipated and any utilization and review on large expenses could be done much easier than is done now.

Also, serious tort reform, even making an effort to develop a cost-effective, worker's compensation type of plan. After all, without workers comp, there would be little US industry. Even with it, there is considerable abuse and unnecessary costs, but at least there are limits to the abuse.

Finally, it must be understood with physician's licensure, hospital accreditation and all the other rules and regulations what has resulted is bootleg humanitarian monopolies for the health care providers. We definitely need much less regulation. At one time, the per diem for a hospital bed was only 1 and one half times that of a first class hotel: now that hospital per diem is commonly a multiple of a first class hotel.

10 posted on 08/17/2004 6:10:41 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd; freeforall; Sofa King; The Ghost of FReepers Past; SandRat; DoughtyOne; Ladysmith; ...
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. -- P.J. O'Rourke

11 posted on 08/17/2004 6:19:24 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt (---- Fight Islamist CyberTerror at: http://haganah.org.il/haganah/ ----)
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To: shrinkermd

We cannot continue to see hundreds of billions of dollars in healthcare insurance profits siphoned off, and expect the healthcare industry to remain healthy. If those dollars were getting to providers, they'd be a lot more healthy. So would we.


12 posted on 08/17/2004 6:38:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: shrinkermd
Let's see:
  1. Single payer = no competition and no incentive to control costs.
  2. Government mandated prescription prices = no incentive for research & development of new drugs.
  3. Government set payments = little incentive for talented and innovative people to study medicine.
  4. Everything is free = no incentive to shop around or look for other alternatives.
  5. Result = overcrowding, over stimulated demand, lack of supply and rationing.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!


13 posted on 08/17/2004 6:42:06 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: DoughtyOne

You said: "We cannot continue to see hundreds of billions of dollars in healthcare insurance profits siphoned off, and expect the healthcare industry to remain healthy. If those dollars were getting to providers, they'd be a lot more healthy. So would we."

Sorry - can't buy your logic. That's like saying the federal government should take over, say, the automotive industry because by doing so it could "save" the profits. Or, take over the retailing or utilities undustries because the profits are just wasted. Gimme a break. When government runs anything the costs go up and the service and the value goes down. Anybody is dreaming who thinks anything else would happen with healthcare (1/7th of the U.S. economy).



14 posted on 08/17/2004 9:50:22 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: freeforall

I will say sadly Canadian voters have reaped what they sowed. They voted for a man who killed health care and expect him to save it.

I did not vote for this man and yet we all have to suffer.


15 posted on 08/18/2004 9:46:15 AM PDT by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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To: JustTheTruth

I agree with your comments. It wasn't my intention for the government to be the corrective measure here.

I'll come back later when I have a bit more time and try to offer some suggestions.


16 posted on 08/18/2004 11:11:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: youngtory

Socialism will not work no matter who is in charge.


17 posted on 08/18/2004 5:16:59 PM PDT by freeforall
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To: freeforall

Bingo!


18 posted on 08/18/2004 5:18:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: freeforall
Prompt access to excellent medical care has come to be taken as a right of all Canadians.

Canadian healthcare is neither prompt nor excellent.

19 posted on 08/18/2004 5:24:32 PM PDT by reg45
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To: headsonpikes

Also see;
Doctor crisis looming CMA warns shortage will only get worse in the next decade.

Who would have thunk rationing would do this?


20 posted on 08/18/2004 5:31:02 PM PDT by freeforall
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