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Bush Landslide (in Theory)! Questions for Ray C. Fair
The New York Times ^ | August 15, 2004 | Deborah Solomon

Posted on 08/14/2004 4:15:09 PM PDT by quidnunc

As a professor of economics at Yale, you are known for creating an econometric equation that has predicted presidential elections with relative accuracy.

My latest prediction shows that Bush will receive 57.5 percent of the two-party votes.

The polls are suggesting a much closer race.

Polls are notoriously flaky this far ahead of the election, and there is a limit to how much you want to trust polls.

Why should we trust your equation, which seems unusually reductive?

It has done well historically. The average mistake of the equation is about 2.5 percentage points.

In your book ''Predicting Presidential Elections and Other Things,'' you claim that economic growth and inflation are the only variables that matter in a presidential race. Are you saying that the war in Iraq will have no influence on the election?

Historically, issues like war haven't swamped the economics. If the equation is correctly specified, then the chances that Bush loses are very small.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; economicmodel; electionmodel; elections; gwb2004; landslide; predictions; rayfair
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To: Betaille

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41 posted on 08/14/2004 5:17:53 PM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: Bonaparte

"I understand about retrospective studies but it seems that if pervasive patterns are found, they should at least be acknowledged. Nobody suggests that he's got a crystal ball."

Most of the time economics IS most important in elections, but not always. There are still some things that trump economics. I suspect that the public would still not reelect an incumbent male President presiding over an economic boom if he were publicly shown to be in bed with a dead girl or live boy (though I'm not certain about the latter). There are still some outer bounds of behavior that even our jaded electorate will not tolerate, even in boom times.

War also has the ability to trump economics, I believe.


42 posted on 08/14/2004 5:20:06 PM PDT by labard1
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To: quidnunc

This is hilarious. The NY Times Reporter sounds SOOOOOO disappointed in the election prediction. It is like she is saying, "But...but how can this be so?" Then she switches gears and pushes Ray C. Fair as to whether he is a Bush supporter just trying to help Bush with his prediction. It turns out that he is a Kerry supporter. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


43 posted on 08/14/2004 5:27:13 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Malesherbes
it will be a hard nail in the coffin of the professional pollsters - whose trade is already shaky since (1) people don't answer their phones, and (2) don't give valid answers.

Actually a lot of people have gotten rid of their home phones in favor of cell phones. Since pollsters are forbidden to call cell phones this skews any poll. I think this topic will be much discussed after the November election. BTW, have you noticed that is mostly older Democrat clueless types that don't use cell phones?

44 posted on 08/14/2004 5:30:49 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: quidnunc
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE POLLS ARE NOT GENERALLY POLLING MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY

45 posted on 08/14/2004 5:33:38 PM PDT by jackbill (G)
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To: Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok
it will be a hard nail in the coffin of the professional pollsters - whose trade is already shaky since (1) people don't answer their phones, and (2) don't give valid answers.

Then the DEMS lose bigtime no matter who they choose because it would be too late to change most state ballots. Yeah, there are some corrupt states like New Jersey that would allow the DEMS to pull a Torricelli but it won't happen in most states, including Florida.

46 posted on 08/14/2004 5:34:34 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Betaille
I was a democrat at the time and even me and my freinds were predicting that Gore would lose by up to 10 points.

What converted you to conservatism? 9/11??

47 posted on 08/14/2004 5:37:59 PM PDT by WarrenC
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To: PJ-Comix

"Yeah, there are some corrupt states like New Jersey that would allow the DEMS to pull a Torricelli but it won't happen in most states, including Florida."

Unless the Florida Supreme Court has has some dramatic turnover since 2000, there is almost nothing it wouldn't do for the Dims.


48 posted on 08/14/2004 5:42:07 PM PDT by labard1
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To: labard1
"War also has the ability to trump economics, I believe."

So do I. Depending on the character of that war and whether we are perceived to be winning. Lincoln was convinced he couldn't be re-elected until the victories at Vicksburg/Gettysburg, followed by Sherman's taking of Atlanta just before the election. Johnson made no effort to enlist public support for the Vietnam War, defaulting to a pro-communist media which crucified him. He became so unpopular he didn't even bother to run for re-election. Now we're engaged in a diffuse, unconventional war that is likely to be protracted over a period of decades. This is a much more difficult sell, especially with the media doing everything possible to lend support to the enemy, at times practically denying that there even is an enemy. Sherman considered reporters no better than enemy spies and sometimes treated them as such.

49 posted on 08/14/2004 5:45:02 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: PJ-Comix

I am a Registered Democrat, and yeah, kind of an old guy but not entirely clueless due, in part, to paying a lot of attention to FreeRepublic these past 5+ years.


50 posted on 08/14/2004 5:45:35 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: quidnunc
The entire staff of the New York Times has threatened to drink cyanide-laced Koolade if Bush wins.
51 posted on 08/14/2004 5:55:07 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("Anybody but Bush!" ~Al Qaida/Vote Democrat!-bin Laden/Kerry for President~Zawahiri/Yeah! ~Streisand)
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To: EllaMinnow

'But in the process you are shaping opinion. Predictions can be self-confirming, because wishy-washy voters might go with the candidate who is perceived to be more successful.'

I finally understand why all the polls are rigged to make it look like Kerry is winning-predictions can be self-confirming...! No wonder the polls were wrong in GA during the 2002 election! Democrat polls are a bunch of lies; they aren't measuring public opinion; rather, they are attempting to shape public opinion! People are naturally drawn to winners (perceived as strong etc). Well it didn't work in GA , and I don't think it will work in 2004.


52 posted on 08/14/2004 5:55:07 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
"Democrat polls are a bunch of lies"

Democrats are a bunch of liars. It's part of their general moral depravity. To them, lying is nothing more than a clever tactic.

53 posted on 08/14/2004 5:59:01 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("Anybody but Bush!" ~Al Qaida/Vote Democrat!-bin Laden/Kerry for President~Zawahiri/Yeah! ~Streisand)
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To: quidnunc

As I have told my wife and others for a long time, President Bush will win in a landslide. Then he will redo the income tax or try to and then the leftists will get hold of congress for a little while, the Senate and then Rudi Giuliani will be the next President of the USA.


54 posted on 08/14/2004 6:01:39 PM PDT by rambo316
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To: nyconse

No, it didn't work in Georgia in 2002, and it didn't work in Florida in 2002, and it didn't work in New Hampshire or Missouri or Minnesota, either.

And it didn't work in California last year.


55 posted on 08/14/2004 6:03:13 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (swimming through the blogosphere)
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To: Bonaparte

Because Grant's casualties in Virginia (mainly the Wilderness Campaign) were so massive, Lincoln still expected to lose, notwithstanding the Gettysburg and Vicksburg victories.

The fall of Atlanta was decisive (along with the military vote).


56 posted on 08/14/2004 6:03:26 PM PDT by labard1
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To: rambo316

Dems are liars...a poster (much wiser than me) pointed out that pollsters never predict Republicans will win and then the Republican loses (small or large). But pollsters are always having to explain why they pick Democrats and they lose...it seems quite obvious now, but I didn't think of it...plain old liberal bias at work: Dem polls=crap.


57 posted on 08/14/2004 6:25:21 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: EllaMinnow

It's not going to work this time either...at least I don't think so. You know if Kerry loses, the mainstream media loses also. They will never be the king-makers they once were (in Camelot).


58 posted on 08/14/2004 6:26:54 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: AlbertWang
Albert Wang has, in the face of polls predicting otherwise, boldly stated that November will be a 45 state Bush blowout.

I can't go 45, but I'm with you to up to 40 states.
59 posted on 08/14/2004 6:33:15 PM PDT by zencat (Magnetic BUSH/CHENEY bumper stickers ---> www.gwbushmagnets.com)
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To: Savage Beast
"the entire staff of the New York Times threatened to drink cyanide if Bush wins" If oly we could trust the New Yok Times
60 posted on 08/14/2004 6:33:50 PM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok (DNC- "We have made a clone. We shall call him Minnie Dukakis")
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