Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Microsoft sings a new tune on Linux
Forbes Online ^ | 08/06/2004 | Victoria Murphy

Posted on 08/10/2004 7:19:13 AM PDT by N3WBI3

Microsoft executive Martin Taylor's schedule is packed with meetings like the one in June when he met with representatives from French drugmaker Aventis in his Redmond, Wash. office. Aventis has tied together groups of computers running not Microsoft's operating system but the freely available Linux. These high-performance clusters can analyze proteins at blazing speeds. "That's great for Linux," Taylor said cheerily, at the time.

That same week -- by coincidence, the company says-- Microsoft announced plans for a new version of Windows software to handle exactly the kind of high-performance computing Aventis had set up. Says Taylor now, "I'll knock on their door in a few months so they can check out our stuff."

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft
Microsoft accusing others of not innovating... Now thats fun...
1 posted on 08/10/2004 7:19:14 AM PDT by N3WBI3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

Microsoft has every reason to get on the Linux parade now, with MONO's .NET implementation taking off on Linux. It does them a lot of good.


2 posted on 08/10/2004 7:24:54 AM PDT by RogueIsland
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

Someone will have to tell Golden Eagle about this. He's been crabbing about the Chinese being able to develop nuclear weapons "for free" by using linux. Now that they can use Windows to develop their nuclear weapons, I'm sure he'll feel much safer. After all, the license fees for Windows (assuming the Chinese military bothers to pay them) will make the cost of developing nuclear weapons prohibitive.

3 posted on 08/10/2004 7:26:46 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Flip Kerry the Flop)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
The cluster system they are using has been around for a decade.
4 posted on 08/10/2004 7:30:28 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
>Microsoft executive Martin Taylor's ... met with representatives from French drugmaker Aventis in his Redmond, Wash. office

So long as the French
make the Redmond pilgrimage,
all's well in Gatesland.

5 posted on 08/10/2004 7:31:49 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

Typical of Microsoft. Vaporware: Oh, we can't do that today, but we're working on it... and believe me, when it's done, it will be better, faster, stronger, more effective, and make peanut butter sandwiches.

Bah. When a company gets as big as Micro$oft, they can't get out of their own way, much less innovate. They aren't evil, they're just too darn big. They are IBM all over again.


6 posted on 08/10/2004 7:37:18 AM PDT by brownsfan (Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RogueIsland
Microsoft has every reason to get on the Linux parade

To extend, one must first embrace.

7 posted on 08/10/2004 7:39:00 AM PDT by Physicist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
You might have done this, but please take the time to read any of the EULAs (end user license agreements) for a Microsoft Operating system. In order to install the operating system, you must AGREE to basically hold them blameless for any and all problems that you might encounter.

I had a Windows box or two on a network I run (primarily) for a family business, but after reading a MS EULA word for word (at a prompting from a friend) I dropped them like BAD habits. Now it's all supported by Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD. I'm sure it helps that I'm a network security engineer at my "day job", but in the 4 years the site has been up, we have never had a virus, or been hacked (that I can tell :-).

My wife couldn't figure out why her friends were complaining about the latest rash of MS targeted network aware worms. I told her it was because they ran MS operating systems, whereas she ran Linux (hardened at that). She rolled her eyes and said, "Well. That's DUMB. Why don't they switch?" I just shrugged my shoulders and asked why do people think guns are evil? :-)

I once said that when my Mom ran a Linux system, the rest of the world would soon follow. Mom's been running it for going on two years now. She got mad after a virus rendered her Windows box unuseable and affected her business operations. She switched soon after. I've got another friend who walked his own Mom through installing it over the phone. I'm not sure which version, but it's not the archaic little beast that it was back in 1994. Microsoft has a lot to be a afraid of with open source.

I work in a large corporate IT environment, and the attitude has shifted in the past three years from, "we can't afford NOT to run Microsoft operating systems"..... to questioning whether we can afford to continue doing so! I know from having friends in other sectors of the industry, that my employer isn't unique in this. Don't point the finger at Microsoft either! Every operating system that was installed which assisted in propogating a virus required that the installer AGREE to the EULA.

I "think" this pharmaceutical company will have to consider the TCO (total cost of ownership) in the Microsoft proposal. If they like their current open source solution, and it works well the question will be cost. Will the Microsoft system work as well?....and cost less over time?

The open source developers who create things like clustering technologies wil improve their systems for free, just to see that Microsoft fails. They are philosophical radicals in their own right, and I think that eventually Microsoft will fall to them.

...just my .02 though :-)
8 posted on 08/10/2004 7:46:16 AM PDT by hiredhand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hiredhand
Great post, my thoughts..

I work in a large corporate IT environment, and the attitude has shifted in the past three years from, "we can't afford NOT to run Microsoft operating systems"..... to questioning whether we can afford to continue doing so! I know from having friends in other sectors of the industry, that my employer isn't unique in this. Don't point the finger at Microsoft either! Every operating system that was installed which assisted in propogating a virus required that the installer AGREE to the EULA.

I have always worked in primarily UNIX shops until my current position. We have some Big Iron, and had only one UNIX server the rest was windows as far as the eye can see. I was brought in by someone who had worked with me in the past and wanted to go with more *NIX in our data center. We now have about 10 Mission critical *NIX servers and a few dozen support servers which are VM's (mostly running linux but we have a couple of AIX boxes hanging around. We are looking at SUN to host an application that will replace the mainframe.

On the desktop I don't see it yet, unless for a very focused group Linux is not quite there. We have some PB code so that eliminates the possibility of switching over but even if we were all J2EE I still think *NIX is for the server world.

9 posted on 08/10/2004 7:55:52 AM PDT by N3WBI3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

I wish Microsoft would offer a barebones home version of their operating software.

That way I could install any program I want and not have a conflict with some MS software program I don't use that comes with the current versions.

They need to also eliminate the bloat of the operating system. There is no reason for it to take up 3 gigs of space.


10 posted on 08/10/2004 7:57:08 AM PDT by Chewbacca (John Kerry is such a smeghead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hiredhand

Dear hiredhand,

Would you salvage an old Sony PCG-F290 by reformatting the hard drive and installing Linux on it? I am faced by this dilemma right now... whether or not to buy a new Dell laptop or salvage my old Sony.

If Linux is good, would you use Red Hat? Remember that you know a lot, and I don't about installing Linux and using Linux. Is the Red Hat support good enough to warrant the $170 to $300 per annum subscription?

Much obliged,

caddie


11 posted on 08/10/2004 8:12:12 AM PDT by caddie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: caddie
I'm going to assume there was dripping sarcasm in that post. But I will give you a straight answer just in case I am wrong.

The specs on the notebook do not look bad 128MB, 6 Gig HD, DVD Rom... It might be worth it for you to try Linux on it.

As far as the RedHat subscription fee, no not worth it on a new system that you might require support on I would say go for it but on a rescue mission I would go with Fedora Which is free, and provides update via YUM (Yellow Dog Update Manager). The install is easy just accept all the defaults. If I can be of assistance let me know..

12 posted on 08/10/2004 8:28:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
Allchin points to new features in the version of Windows due in 2007 that will allow users to remotely turn PCs on or off

I could beat on my head with a sledge hammer while smoking crack with a 104 degree fever, and I would still be thinking too clearly to install that kind of Microsoft security hole.

13 posted on 08/10/2004 9:25:49 AM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
Actually that sounds like a neat feature (just the turn on part, the turn off is old and done). I would really be interested in how it completely powers down the box and than can even accept network traffic needed to boot it back up. But until I see the promise delivered on I am not going to put too much faith into it and even if they do get it done I want to see what ports I have to block to lock this down..
14 posted on 08/10/2004 9:49:11 AM PDT by N3WBI3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Nick Danger
Someone will have to tell Golden Eagle about this. He's been crabbing about the Chinese being able to develop nuclear weapons "for free" by using linux.

I sure have, simply because that is exactly what they do.

Your buddies at IBM and Red Hat give them all the free Linux software and upgrades they could ever want, which the Chicoms use to build supercomputers that are in the top 10 most powerful in the world.

But does Nick Danger care, at all? Nope, he runs cover for the operation by somehow trying to blame Microsoft, instead. Now he's down to accusing me of "crabbing about it", since it's all perfectly fine by him, and should be with everyone else, apparently.

Now he thinks that since MS is developing a similar product to sell, it's going to be even easier to sweep his dirty little secret of completely free software for the Chicoms under the rug, and attempt to blame Microsoft again.

Of course that argument will completely fail, as always, as not only will Microsoft not be giving that sofware away completely for free to the PRC like his Linux buddies love to do, there's not a chance in hell that the Chicoms are going to build a top 10 in the world supercomputer on Windows,like they have already done with their free copies of Linux.

But his tap dances and finger pointing will be no less entertaining than now. What's that saying he's always got? "Look at the Wookie", or similar? So, everyone can either look at Danger's wookie, or look at the facts.

China plans to create the world's third most powerful supercomputer...comprised of computers running a Chinese-designed Linux (free copy of Red Hat renamed Red Flag - GE)

15 posted on 08/10/2004 9:54:36 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3
Actually that sounds like a neat feature (just the turn on part, the turn off is old and done). I would really be interested in how it completely powers down the box and than can even accept network traffic needed to boot it back up.

We're already most of the way there. Many network cards can bring Windows out of hibernation, so it would only be a small step to allow them to boot the OS from scratch. It's still buggy for MS (keeps waking up to refresh network state), but it's not a long stretch.

16 posted on 08/10/2004 7:10:09 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: caddie; N3WBI3
n3 has said well! ...and I'm just a little out of date with Linux specifically. I've been using BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD) the past couple of years professionally, and personally. BUT....I'm going to grab copies of RedHat Fedora just to see how it's changed since 7.3 (last time I messed with it). My wife's PC is still RedHat 7.3, and it's about due for an upgrade just because it's vintage 1996 hardware, and a lot of it is proprietary at that!

I think one of my good friends at work is running Debian Linux, and he swears by it. If you want, I can get get you more info about it.

Just off the top though, I'd say certainly! Go for it with the laptop.

Don't let me forget to ask my friend for you...or I'm certain to "space" it shortly. I'm nearly off to bed for the evening.
17 posted on 08/11/2004 8:46:56 PM PDT by hiredhand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

Interesting post. I have both the Redhat 8 CD's as well as a recent download of Fedora, as well as a spare computer that I've been meaning to use to learn about Linux. I know the hardware is supported by Redhat because I had it running as a dual boot system for a while.

I have two main objectives in this project: to learn about Linux, and to build a Linux based home network monitor/firewall.

Would you mind if I took you up on your offer of assistance? Either way, thanks for the tip. I'm off to do some reading at the Fedora site.


18 posted on 10/15/2004 2:36:51 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades ("Vote Republican or Die!" - Veep Cheney as channeled by the Kool-aid crowd, but I like it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson