Kill the assault rifle ban? YES

New York Daily News ^ | August 8th, 2004 | CHRIS W. COX

[7.62 x 51mm]

I own and shoot several: AR-10, AR-15 w/ silencer and 1928 Thompson .45cal. Nothing *impractical* about 3-round burst or full-auto, IMO. Please explain how impracticality is related to scarcity.

And to cover the sniper rifle angle, I have a Barrett M82A1 .50cal BMG on order, and am breathlessly awaiting delivery in October. Talk about impractical...

[7.62 x 51mm]

Well said; see my post #41. I've got the *enthusiasm*! Love the sub guns.

[7.62 x 51mm]

Molon Labe, Diane Fineswine beeeeaaaatch.

[Oberon]

And the Search & Seizure laws will go out the airlock along with RKBA - because they'll come for them.

And I predict that they will find them...but not always in the manner they would prefer.

[RogueIsland]

If new receivers were legal, you would see a volcano of full auto enthusiasm erupt. Right now, it's just the same old tired guns being passed around - as they wear out and disintegrate, no more will be available. That's the NFA/ full auto dirty little secret.

That provision was part of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, I believe.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[TomasUSMC]

The U.S. Army marched from Normandy to Berlin into the teeth of fully-automatic fire from MP-40s. Most of our grunts carried 8-round Garands. A good eye, ammo discipline and grim-a&& determination will win the day.

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But, they had total air superiority, and they had plenty of BARs and machinguns. The infantry needs fire discipline first, no doubt, but that is part of training. After that, he needs to have the tools and today he does not. The worthless M16 had been made worse by taking away its full auto. In close combat, like Nam or urban combat you need full auto to suppress, to take out very close multiple surpise targets. Every warrior out there needs the full auto option.

[William Tell]

xsrdx said: "Right now, it's just the same old tired guns being passed around - as they wear out and disintegrate, no more will be available."

Well, look on the bright side. The porous border with Mexico will make it easy to import anything available on the world market. When the time comes to water the liberty tree with the blood of tyrants, there will be tools available.

Is there anyone foolish enough to think that Americans would come off less well than Iraqis when it comes to battling occupiers?

[TomServo]

Molon Labe

Bears repeating - over and over..

[SwankyC]

You have to show id, sign and give a thumbprint to get ammo in Cali.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I wouldn't care to have my name and address on a BTF "full auto" record. Nore would I care to have an ATF agent drop by to check on things. I can do all the damage I need with what I've got now.

[blackie]

Molon Labe!

Be Ever Vigilant!

[7.62 x 51mm]

Doesn't bother me; I have several (and their wives) as customers at my nursery & garden center, whom I shoot with on a regular basis, plus many LEOs and military.

If you've bought pistols and rifles over the counter, you're already on more *lists* than you know about, EitO.

[Dead Corpse]

It really isn't worth worrying about. At least until they start going around door to door. By then, they'll have had more than one way to track who has what.

Hopefully, if it gets that far, we'll have some warning when they do "come ofr our guns" and we'll be able to put up some serious resistance.

In the mean time, lets do what we can to avoid GETTING to that point.

[The KG9 Kid]

BATFE agents just cannot drop in and 'check on things' if you own an NFA-registered firearm. They're beholden to the same search & seizure laws that any other LEO must abide by.

The BATFE will do yearly compliance if you have a license to *sell* NFA-registered firearms, but not just own one.

It's common misinformation that owners of an NFA item must surrender their rights to the 4th Amendment.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Legal or illegal, a market will develop for something if people really want it.

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Other than stupid criminals, who would risk an easy 10-year prison term to play with a full-auto rifle?

The "market" for (illegal) full auto probably does exist. And they probably go for pennies on the dollar due to this threat. A cop M16 might go for $500 (to government agencies only), a civilian-transferrable for $10,000, and a stolen one maybe for $100 on the street, by my guess.

[Atlas Sneezed]

I sure as hell wouldn't want to own one (a machine gun.)

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What about if you were fighting a force of tyranny that threatened the security of your free state, and you needed to cross some disputed territory while enemy were about? Would you want your buddies to have machine guns?

[Criminal Number 18F]

That provision was part of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, I believe.

Yep. Supported by Mr Cox's NRA, as a matter of fact! To the NRA it was a worthwhile trade-off to ban the full-autos, in order to get the federal law that allows you to transport a weapon from one place it's legal to another, even if you have to pass through a gun-ban jurisdiction.

Meanwhile, local prosecutors in Boston, Queens NY (where Laguardia is) and Albany, have started busting everybody transiting the airports there with a firearm and without a state or local license, which in those jurisdictions is made of purest unobtainium even for the residents -- let alone transients.

Thanks to Patriot Act and other post-9/11 searches, they can identify these people, and it's a lot easier and lower risk than catching actual criminals.

This flies in the face of the McClure-Volkmer FOPA of 1986, but the Bush administration is not asserting federal preemption, or doing anything to assist the people targeted by these local prosecutors (all politically ambitious Democrats -- isn't that a shock, not).

The state associations have done some things but the NRA is, somnolent... they sure did the gun owners a great deed with the 1986 law, didn't they?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Yes. If you're my bud.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Perhaps its misinformation.